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Re: A Couple of Questions for the Lux Board [blckislandguy] by tagman
Jun 28, 2009 (11:01 pm)
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Replying to: blckislandguy (Jun 28, 2009 5:48 pm)

"A couple of questions for the board. I'd like to add a nice German sedan with AWD to my stable some time in the near future."
 
Hey there B.I.G.... In light of the cars you have mentioned in your post, I suggest you consider the Audi S8.
 
TM
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Re: A Couple of Questions for the Lux Board [blckislandguy] by lexusguy
Jun 29, 2009 (12:41 am)
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Replying to: blckislandguy (Jun 28, 2009 5:48 pm)

Because of the service issues, am I foolish to even consider the Bentley as a 8-9 year possession, driving it 7K to 8K miles per year for a total of 100,000 miles?
 
Yes. Especially considering you don't even like the ride quality. These cars are not designed to be like the Honda Accord that you keep for 10 years. I think part of the reason they have such epic depreciation is because there's an assumption that the servicing costs are going to be brutal. As is often said, there is no such thing as cheap Ferrari, no matter what the window sticker is. My Audi shop has $100/hr servicing rates. I'm sure Bentley's are much higher.
 
To me the Spur is just kind of a glorified Phaeton, right down to its outdated Phaeton electronics. I don't get the feeling from a Spur or Continental GT that I do from much slower cars like the Maserati QP and GT, or Aston DB9, or even the Panamera. The Maseratis and Aston are much prettier, and the Panamera is more interesting, and will handle a thousand times better than the uber-heavy Bentleys.
 
The car most likely to be a trouble free companion for 100K miles is a Lexus LS. If I were going to keep a big luxo cruiser for that long, that's what I would be buying. I've been very happy with my S6 and I've had no problems with it, but its gone when the warranty is up, though I'm not sure what the replacement is yet. Its 100K servicing costs aren't an issue, as I suspect they are not to most Audi owners.
 
If the LS simply isn't an option, my next choice would probably be a CPO S8 or W12 that I'd keep for 3-4 years or so, and then move on. A new 750i xDrive isn't a bad choice because of the very low ownership costs, but I still wouldn't keep one past the warranty.
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Re: A Couple of Questions for the Lux Board [blckislandguy] by circlew
Jun 29, 2009 (2:53 am)
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Replying to: blckislandguy (Jun 28, 2009 5:48 pm)

The S class is the way to go based on your input but I'd go for a CPO'd A8 if it were me. Understated and it's less than 60K. Keep it three years and maintenance should be on the low side.
 
This way, you get to change shoes again in 2011.
 
Regards,
OW
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That Argentinan Woman by dewey
Jun 29, 2009 (10:41 am)
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I am sorry folks that I had disappeared for so long.
 
But here's what happened:
 
A UFO kidnapped me and dropped me off somewhere in Argentina where I was embraced for many months by a vivacious and senusuous tango woman who would just not let me go.
 
OK, ok that excuse could have been used by a South Carolinan politician but I guess it wont work here or with my wife.
 
Now here's the truth and nothing but the truth which in fact more shocking than my UFO excuse.
 
I HATE CARS!
 
Yes folks that is the truth. After the #***!!!! experiences with my BMW 335i I feel de-sensitized from any emotions with respect to cars. None whatsoever.
 
So how do I feel about that?
 
Here's the truth which of you fellows may hate. I feel great!!!
 
Tomorrow I am selling my dream machine BMW 335i and picking up instead my spanking new Arctic White Microwave called the 2010 Prius. I have never felt better because now I have escaped that perpetual treadmill called the "New Car Syndrome". Everytime I bought a new car I always anticipated what my next car will be in the future and became obsessed with that future car even during the first day of buying a brand new car. That my friends is sort of like having Argentinian fantasies during your wedding night.
 
 Tomorrow I couldn't care less what my next car will be after the Prius. And that folks in itself feels refreshing since I am no long enslaved by that "distant future car" that has always ruled my life.
 
I know the wonders of being enthusiastic about cars and I dont mean to be judgemental towards anybdody within this forum who has such enthusiasms. All I want to say is that life without being a car enthusiast is equally wonderful if not better.
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Re: A Couple of Questions for the Lux Board [circlew] by blckislandguy
Jun 29, 2009 (1:31 pm)
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Replying to: circlew (Jun 29, 2009 2:53 am)

Thanks. The voices of reason.
 
As a side note, do you agree with me that the new E Class with its AMG-ish front end is going to hurt new S sales and lower the prices of used S's??
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Re: A Couple of Questions for the Lux Board [lexusguy] by blckislandguy
Jun 29, 2009 (6:28 pm)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Jun 29, 2009 12:41 am)

Lexusguy, thanks for your thoughts all of which make sense. However, there is nothing like the acceleration of the W12. I drove a S550 back to back with the Bentley and the acceleration difference was night and day. (This of course is a meaningless distinction unless one has the hormones of a 16 year old underneath his Brooks Bros golf shirt and kahkis.)
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Re: That Argentinan Woman [dewey] by tagman
Jun 29, 2009 (7:49 pm)
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Replying to: dewey (Jun 29, 2009 10:41 am)

I feel de-sensitized from any emotions with respect to cars. None whatsoever.
 
Well, well, if it isn't the return from who knows where!
 
Welcome back to Hotel California, as you once told me after I made a lengthy departure.
 
Let me just say that I know darned well you have emotions surrounding your new Prius. The first G3 Prius I ever saw in real life on the road happened yesterday... a white one. I like it better than the previous model by far.
 
A part of me was jealous... that bastard was driving one of the latest high-tech cars in the world, getting at least 50 mpg, and merrily rolling along at 75+ mph on California's Highway 5. What could I do? Blow by him with my twin turbos? I knew it wouldn't matter to him, because he was happy in his Prius as he passed all the gas stations on his trip South. All his passengers were supremely comfy and he didn't need to compete with anyone.
 
I'd have to say he was content... as you now are. Content and satisfied with your new car. You love your Prius, and we all know it, because of all the posts that preceded your purchase.
 
I applaud you. You have evolved and matured in your perspective of automobiles and their role in this world. Yours is more of a cognitive enthusiasm. Me? I'm still a kid at heart and need to step on the gas and have some silly fun on the roads, and connect to some good feelings behind the wheel... less cognitive and more emotional. Nothing wrong with that either.
 
But... I repeat... you do NOT hate cars. You love your Prius... as you should.
 
Congratulations Dewey. I am glad for you. Truly.
 
Please tell me your impressions of your Prius after you have driven it for a while.
 
TM
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Re: A Couple of Questions for the Lux Board [lexusguy] by tagman
Jun 29, 2009 (8:01 pm)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Jun 29, 2009 12:41 am)

If the LS simply isn't an option, my next choice would probably be a CPO S8 or W12 that I'd keep for 3-4 years or so, and then move on.
 
I was under the impression BIG wants AWD... therefore I put the S8 in first position on my recommendation to him. Perhaps I misunderstood?
 
TM
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Re: A Couple of Questions for the Lux Board [tagman] by lexusguy
Jun 30, 2009 (12:32 am)
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Replying to: tagman (Jun 29, 2009 8:01 pm)

I was under the impression BIG wants AWD...
 
Right. LS460 AWD, or LS460L AWD.
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Re: A Couple of Questions for the Lux Board [blckislandguy] by lexusguy
Jun 30, 2009 (1:05 am)
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Replying to: blckislandguy (Jun 29, 2009 6:28 pm)

However, there is nothing like the acceleration of the W12. I drove a S550 back to back with the Bentley and the acceleration difference was night and day
 
Yeah, I know. It's too bad Mercedes doesn't make AWD versions of their AMG cars, as the AMG S class has always had steep depreciation, and an S63 would close the acceleration gap significantly. An '08 is less than $90K.
 
For me, I just can't imagine a situation where I would need more than the S8's 450hp. The S8 also looks crisp and modern compared to the somewhat (IMO) bulbous and doughy Spur, and the Spur's interior reminds me too much of the bad old days that Jaguar will be leaving behind with the new XJ. The materials are very nice sure, but there's too much of that "ye olde Arnage" look in there.
 

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