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Re: Thoughts on the new 7 [garyh1] by cyclone4
Mar 29, 2009 (1:03 pm)
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Replying to: garyh1 (Mar 28, 2009 9:28 pm)

I agree - the thing I miss the most about the Lexus is the touch screen interface, especially for the NAV system. But I sure don't miss the legal screen that required a touch of the "I Agree" button on my '05 LS. And the handling of the S is really superior to my LS.
  
And I think your 460L is almost as big as the S550 (maybe an inch smaller?). So you're probably well-adapted by now to the size increase over your old LS.
  
It's really interesting to see people now so willing to cross over between the German vs. Japanese manufacturers. We've come a long way from the oac vs. Merc wars, haven't we? I now have 2 Lexi and 3 MBs in the family fleet.

 
Gary, first of all congratulations on the purchase of your S550. It looks like you got a terrific deal. A year and a half ago I did give it some thought (going with the S550), but to be honest with you I could not see paying $15-20K more than the LS460L to get the S with the options I wanted. And at that time, I felt that the LS reliability would be better than that of the S, but it appears that there is no longer much difference. Also, unless the handling is horrible, I don't really have a concern about handling. The seats on the S are definitely superior to the LS.
 
Two years from now when I am ready to get a new vehicle, I will definitely consider the S. But I have a feeling that at that time, I will be going with the best luxury hybrid sedan available, (but NOT the LS600h). The LS600h seems like a waste of money to me now. I am really happy I canceled my order back in the fall of 2007.
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Re: Hybrid wars [cyclone4] by tagman
Mar 29, 2009 (3:12 pm)
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Replying to: cyclone4 (Mar 29, 2009 12:46 pm)

You are right Charlie. You've been a big hybrid supporter for a long time, and have praised the new Prius.
 
Even though I don't need a Prius right now, I almost wish I did. It's just got so much cool factor going for it, for what would normally be considered a dull and boring car.
 
I understand your need for AWD. Nice to have enhanced road-worthiness, IMO.
 
TM
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Re: Thoughts on the new 7 [cyclone4] by tagman
Mar 29, 2009 (3:16 pm)
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Replying to: cyclone4 (Mar 29, 2009 1:03 pm)

The LS600h seems like a waste of money to me now. I am really happy I canceled my order back in the fall of 2007.
 
No doubt about it. In fact, there really never was any doubt about it from my perspective.
 
You must recall how hard I tried to convince you and Len to go with the LS460L instead... I'm very glad you didn't waste all that money on the 600.
 
TM
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Re: Thoughts on the new 7 [tagman] by cyclone4
Mar 29, 2009 (3:33 pm)
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Replying to: tagman (Mar 29, 2009 3:16 pm)

No doubt about it. In fact, there really never was any doubt about it from my perspective.
  
You must recall how hard I tried to convince you and Len to go with the LS460L instead... I'm very glad you didn't waste all that money on the 600.

 
You sir, were right on! You were pleading with us not to go with the LS600h. Fortunately, as soon as I found out that the EPA estimate was only 21 mpg for the LS600h, I was turned off. That along with a small trunk and about $35K additional expense totally killed the deal.
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Hybrid Cool Factor by rockshocka1
Mar 29, 2009 (4:31 pm)
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Just to play devil's advocate (& keep things lively)...
 
IMO(emphasized), hybrid & 'cool factor' have not met, & will be years in the making.
 
'Cool' comes from the bottom up, not vice-versa. I'm not a full survey of any kind, but have a 20 year old son with many friends that love cars, & hybrids are not a topic.
 
Let me know when the script has been written for 'The Semi- Fast & The Semi-Furious, but Fuel Sipping.'
 
I'm not doubting their coming down our throats, but 'cool?' More like propeller-headed dink-mobiles.
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Re: Thoughts on the new 7 [lexusguy] by circlew
Mar 29, 2009 (4:39 pm)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Mar 29, 2009 11:10 am)

I'll second the BMW niche is the smaller performance-oriented luxury and perfect handling/balance/control.
 
During my test of the'07 A8, I realized I was undeniably spoiled by the 3-series nimble feel vs. the refined but cumbersome handling of the A8 which left me very neutral to the appeal that size class. I am sure the 7 was no more controllable due to added weight but I have never driven the 7.
 
Regards,
OW
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Re: Hybrid wars [cyclone4] by circlew
Mar 29, 2009 (4:44 pm)
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Replying to: cyclone4 (Mar 29, 2009 12:46 pm)

Despite the great reviews on this board regarding the Prius, I can't get past the looks. I could NEVER buy it due to the exterior design. I am being very respectful since some might be purchasing it in the very near future.
 
It just is not for me.
 
The Fisker, OTOH, is right down my tailpipes!
 

 
Regards,
OW
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Re: Hybrid wars [ljflx] by dewey
Mar 29, 2009 (5:46 pm)
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Replying to: ljflx (Mar 28, 2009 7:59 pm)

Good article. I've read many rave reviews about the new Prius though some are more lukewarm like the headline from Autoweek:
 
2010 Toyota Prius: More efficiency--but still boring to drive
 
link title
 
Isn't that a revelation? What was this journalist expecting a Porshce 911 or a $100K Telsa?
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Re: Thoughts on the new 7 [garyh1] by dewey
Mar 29, 2009 (5:56 pm)
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Replying to: garyh1 (Mar 28, 2009 9:28 pm)

I now have 2 Lexi and 3 MBs in the family fleet.
 
Congratulations on a great car and a great deal.
 
You are now officially the owner of the most Mercedes Benzes in this forum. Unfortunately you cannot change your forum name Garyh1 to Merc1 since that name has already been taken

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