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Re: Hybrid wars [ljflx] by cyclone4
Mar 27, 2009 (10:20 am)
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Replying to: ljflx (Mar 27, 2009 7:01 am)

Len,
 
 I really didn't know any of this was happening. I like wars that benefit the consumer.
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Re: Tesla Model S Sedan... first leaked pics! [lexusguy] by tagman
Mar 27, 2009 (10:20 am)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Mar 27, 2009 10:06 am)

When the final interior is in front of us, we'll be in a better position to criticize it.
 
That early rendition of digital was hideous... yet even if it was analog it would have been hideous. Looks terrible either way.
 
Designs evolve and change. The digital GUI on the iPhone for example is simple, but it is still very cool. I am convinced that it is entirely possible to design a cool digital GUI in a vehicle's cockpit, and I believe that we will see a good execution of one in the near future anyway.
 
TM
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a little optimism by jlbl
Mar 27, 2009 (12:56 pm)
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Renault has just announced car production is to be increased from next week onwards in each of the three factories they have in Spain. As a consequence workers have been called to resume not only full labor-week turns and but also temporary saturday work. This is due to increased car demand all over Europe. European Gvs., in particular in Germany and France, have started subsidizing car turnover plans.
 
Regards,
Jose
(On the other hand, I have to say, I miss Bristol2, a good friend in this Forum. Where are you, David?)
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Re: Tesla Model S Sedan... first leaked pics! [tagman] by lexusguy
Mar 27, 2009 (1:01 pm)
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Replying to: tagman (Mar 27, 2009 10:20 am)

I am convinced that it is entirely possible to design a cool digital GUI in a vehicle's cockpit, and I believe that we will see a good execution of one in the near future anyway.
 
Possibly. The S-class with Nightview Assist has a digital dash, with a "fake" analog gauge when the display is turned off. I prefer BMW's version in the 7, which still has proper gauges. I just don't like the flat, 2d look that you get in the Benz. The iPhone's GUI is very useful for certain things, but when it comes to editing documents or composing emails, I'll take my Nokia E90's big physical keyboard any day of the week. When I want to adjust the temperature in the car, give me a button I can press or a knob I can turn. I don't want to stab at a piece of glass.
 

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Re: Tesla Model S Sedan... first leaked pics! [lexusguy] by tagman
Mar 27, 2009 (3:03 pm)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Mar 27, 2009 1:01 pm)

When I want to adjust the temperature in the car, give me a button I can press or a knob I can turn. I don't want to stab at a piece of glass.
 
I'm OK with either touch screen or a button/knob, it just depends on which one is set up better. Sometimes I even prefer the voice command, and not have to touch anything at all.
 
It's all about how well it's done. Designs constantly evolve and change, and sometimes in the process they actually improve.
 
BTW, I like the Mercedes dash (and the BMW dash as well)... interesting (almost strange) to see the contrasting classic analog clock in the lower right corner in the MB picture.
 
TM
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Analog please. by plan_man
Mar 27, 2009 (4:23 pm)
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Dials.
 
In the absence of space constraints that demand a smaller readout, a la an F1 cockpit, I prefer dials and needles as well. I'll go further, in that I much prefer simple backlighting to elctro-chromatic displays. And my further preference is for white dials with black indicators.
 
One of the downsides to upscale, IMO, often is a lot of wasted effort on "enhanced" visuals that are anything but, in a quest to achieve a kind of next-step sophistication. Ad absurdum.
 
That's my Friday rant. I'm all better now. thanks.
 
BTW, the TTS still has not arrived. Got a call Wednesday that the carrier had to seek shelter from hail storms! Better late than damaged (which is not an option, of course).
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Re: Analog please. [plan_man] by lexusguy
Mar 27, 2009 (5:03 pm)
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Replying to: plan_man (Mar 27, 2009 4:23 pm)

I'll go further, in that I much prefer simple backlighting to elctro-chromatic displays. And my further preference is for white dials with black indicators.
 
I agree, my preference is for simple, elegant gauges. The "halo" rings on Acuras and some Infinitis look cartoonish and chintzy, and do nothing to enhance the car. They are mostly just distracting. Lexus gauges used to be excellent when they were just white EL with the red floating needle effect. They've totally lost the plot now though, the new RX has their most ostentatious and generally annoying gauges yet, with that dumb blue "glow" effect. Unsurprisingly, Audi's gauges remain some of the absolute best. I've also found that I've grown very fond of the center driver display, and I miss it when I'm driving other cars. In my opinion, white dials only work in classic cars, and seem to clash with modern materials.
 
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Re: Analog please. [lexusguy] by bmlexus
Mar 27, 2009 (7:13 pm)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Mar 27, 2009 5:03 pm)

I like the bmw layout better, but the speedo meter of the S class is the best, without the night vision please.
 
Well, of course you will like the Audi speedo meter, because you will drive
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Re: Hybrid wars [ljflx] by dewey
Mar 27, 2009 (7:41 pm)
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Replying to: ljflx (Mar 27, 2009 7:01 am)

I agree a gutted older version of a Prius sold side by side with a newer version just doesn't add up.
 
It makes little sense if the older version will be equipped with the old hybrid system. The older version's hybrid system and battery costs 30 percent more to manufacture than what is in the new Prius. Selling a higher cost car like the older Prius at a significantly lower price than the newest Prius simply does not add up.
 
And what makes even less sense is the old Prius getting the new hybrid system and battery as the new Prius. Such a situation would make the new Prius look really overpriced and somewhat redundant especially when the most important thing about any hybrid is its hybrid system and its battery.
 
And yes London is a great city. It's been almost 10 years since I was last time there and I am looking forward to going there again.
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Re: Analog please. [lexusguy] by dewey
Mar 27, 2009 (7:53 pm)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Mar 27, 2009 5:03 pm)

I like that picture. Not ostentatious and very functional.
 
Which Audi is being pictured here?

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