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Re: Toyota Prius [dewey] by cyclone4
Mar 27, 2009 (3:40 am)
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Replying to: dewey (Mar 26, 2009 8:10 pm)

Wow, as in astounding! Dewey, you cannot go wrong purchasing this amazing vehicle. If you want a little more comfort, driving performance, and better handling in the snow, go with the RX450h, but otherwise, the new Prius cannot be surpassed.
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Re: Tesla Model S Sedan... first leaked pics! [tagman] by tayl0rd
Mar 27, 2009 (3:46 am)
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Replying to: tagman (Mar 26, 2009 11:32 am)

After having seen a short video clip of it, I have to say I see a good deal of Quatroporte in it, too.
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Re: Tesla Model S Sedan... first leaked pics! [lexusguy] by tayl0rd
Mar 27, 2009 (4:08 am)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Mar 26, 2009 4:58 pm)

... They should remember the digital dashes of the '80s, and why those aren't around anymore.
 
You're right! Anytime something doesn't catch-on the first time it's tried on a mass market scale, that idea should be abandoned forever!!
 
Good thing innovative people don't actually think like that, though. Otherwise, there'd be no computers, ipods, digital cameras, plasma TVs, etc. The reason digital dashes didn't catch-on is because of a few things; 1) They were ahead of their time, which leads to #2. 2) The technology and manufacturing wasn't quite what it needed to be at the time. 3) It was prohibitively expensive if even a single diode failed since the entire assembly had to be replaced (a flaw still in place today) and dealers would come up with any excuse possible not to replace one.
 
Personally, I loved the digital dashes! My uncle had a Buick Sumerset that had an all digital display. I loved it when he'd let me drive it around, so much so that I let the coolness of the digital display outshine the crudeness of that Quad-4 engine!
 
Anyway, so what if they jacked Audi for design and (maybe) a part or two?? Isn't Audi considered the industry standard of design and put-togetherness with regards to interiors?
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Re: [ljflx] by circlew
Mar 27, 2009 (4:15 am)
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Replying to: ljflx (Mar 26, 2009 5:12 pm)

Heck, I've learned eons from the "off-topic" economic posts. Let me know when the energy posts are off topic and I will vehemently fight you to the end!
 
The auto industry follows energy. Period.
 
regards,
OW
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Re: Tesla Model S Sedan... first leaked pics! [cyclone4] by circlew
Mar 27, 2009 (4:18 am)
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Replying to: cyclone4 (Mar 26, 2009 6:26 pm)

Ditto, love the XF-ish style since that Jag induces passion every time it meets my gaze! I applaud Tesla for the design. Hope the cash flow goes positive somehow.
 
Alas, beauty and high maintenance go hand in hand with the XF at the moment!
 
Regards,
OW
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I'll wait till Version 2 comes out by dbostondriver
Mar 27, 2009 (5:32 am)
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Like the iPhone, second will be better.
Also I just got 20 inch custom rims for my Maybach. I got them gold to match the Crystal I keep in the back seat.
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Hybrid wars by ljflx
Mar 27, 2009 (7:01 am)
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Toyota planning on a cheaper old version of the Prius to fight the Honda Insight, while also introducing the new Prius. I don't think this is a smart strategy though.
 
http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/content/mar2009/gb20090327_626019.htm?camp- aign_id=yhoo
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Re: Hybrid wars [ljflx] by tagman
Mar 27, 2009 (9:15 am)
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Replying to: ljflx (Mar 27, 2009 7:01 am)

Toyota planning on a cheaper old version of the Prius to fight the Honda Insight, while also introducing the new Prius. I don't think this is a smart strategy though.
 
Len,
 
This is old news... even if recently reported. And you are right that it isn't good strategy... and apparently Toyota now thinks so, too. Their U.S. approach to the Insight will now be to add a new hybrid, rather than re-introducing the old one... which is indeed a better strategy.
 
Toyota's latest U.S. strategy is to offer a hybrid Yaris or equivalent, which would be a cheaper alternative. That would give them the cheap hybrid as well as the premium hybrid... therefore theoretically putting a little more squeeze on Honda.
 
Unfortunately for Toyota, however, Honda's Insight will still be perceived as a less costly Prius-fighter, and Honda will also introduce a hybrid version of their very successful Fit model. That's the one that will likely give Toyota a big headache. And, of course, there's still the Civic hybrid to contend with.
 
At this point, I see this vehicle category heating up in a big way and getting ultra competitive... it will ultimately benefit the hybrid consumer in spades.
 
TM
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Re: Tesla Model S Sedan... first leaked pics! [tayl0rd] by lexusguy
Mar 27, 2009 (10:06 am)
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Replying to: tayl0rd (Mar 27, 2009 4:08 am)

Good thing innovative people don't actually think like that, though. Otherwise, there'd be no computers, ipods, digital cameras, plasma TVs, etc.
 
I don't think that's really the same idea. The '80s digital dash was purely an aesthetic, it served no function that analog gauges did not. '80s designers were obsessed with straight angles and robots, so the digital dash replaced '50s fins as the design excess of the decade. The iPod simply copied something that already existed (what Apple always does), and made it easier to use/shinier. The equivalent of dangling car keys in front of a baby. Early digital cameras and plasma TVs were very successful, despite serious flaws and enormous price tags.
 
In my opinion, digital dashes didn't catch on because they were hideous. The '80s were the absolute nadir of car design world over, and I'm glad those days (and those dashes) are gone. Putting every secondary control on a single screen just isn't smart. If the wrong sunlight hits it, or you're wearing the wrong sunglasses, essentially all the controls are rendered invisible. Even if you can see it, it will constantly be covered in dust and finger prints. How attractive.
 
Let me demonstrate the point. No car embodied the digital dash more than the Aston Martin Lagonda, both in Series 1 LED form, and Series 2 CRT form. LED technology in the late '70s was a big deal and Aston really broke new ground. Should they have? No.
 


 
Now here's a modern Aston flagship with proper needles and dials.
 

 
Audi's driver information display is sort of the modern interpretation of the digital dash, and it makes sense to have a digital readout of things like music info, temperature, miles remaining in the tank etc. However, when it comes to the tach and speedo, I want needles and dials, and on the center stack I want knobs and buttons.
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Re: Hybrid wars [ljflx] by cyclone4
Mar 27, 2009 (10:20 am)
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Replying to: ljflx (Mar 27, 2009 7:01 am)

Len,
 
 I really didn't know any of this was happening. I like wars that benefit the consumer.

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