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#17041 of 21283 Re: I'm back, too [theanimal] by garyh1 Jan 10, 2009 (6:19 pm)
Replying to: theanimal (Jan 09, 2009 3:17 pm) First, let me say that the 8L is a great car.   As to control systems, I judge these systems by taking my 17 yr old son with me and let him check it out while I drive. He takes to new technology much faster than I do. We both thought the latest version of the COMAND was easier to use than the MMI (last time I tested was in a '07 8L), but in both cases I really just wanted to reach out and touch the screen like I do in the my Lexus LS (in fact, I did it multiple times out of habit and frustration!).   The reality probably is that once you get used to a system, they all (even latest BMW?) are fine. But touch screen is the most intuitive and easiest to learn. Replies to this message: lexusguy (Jan 10, 2009 9:01 pm) m4d_cow (Jan 11, 2009 10:08 am) tagman (Jan 10, 2009 9:43 pm)
#17042 of 21283 Re: I'm back, too [garyh1] by lexusguy Jan 10, 2009 (9:01 pm)
Replying to: garyh1 (Jan 10, 2009 6:19 pm) The reality probably is that once you get used to a system, they all (even latest BMW?) are fine. But touch screen is the most intuitive and easiest to learn.   I would agree with that. It's a bit weird that VW and Porsche have picked up touch systems just as Lexus is starting to phase them out in favor of their stupid mouse thing. The MMI system in the S6 and touch system in the XK both work reasonably well, though neither is perfect. One thing is for sure, they both mop the floor with the horrendous pre-iDrive relic in the X3.   The old COMAND system was awful, but the new one has been generally well received by the automotive press. It's just too bad that Mercedes interior designers have been stuck on their "Hey, remember the '80s?" kick. The outside of the new E-class looks like a Chinese knock off of an E-class, and the inside looks just like the interior of the Benz I sold back in '96. Replies to this message: m4d_cow (Jan 11, 2009 10:08 am)
#17043 of 21283 Re: Jag XF-R [circlew] by tagman Jan 10, 2009 (9:37 pm)
Replying to: circlew (Jan 10, 2009 5:32 pm) If that thing is the new XJ, then ny '05 will indeed be a timeless classic. In fact, I would not be a bit surprised if this latest generaton XJ goes down in history as the best XJ ever built by Jaguar. I say that because the new XF, attractive appearance aside, is already plagued with quality/reliability issues... and I predict the a new XJ will be no exception. Jaguar will unfortunately regain its reputation for poor reliability... a sad reputation that the current ultra-reliable XJ almost fixed.   I agree with circlew... I also hope Jag sticks around.   But, as I've posted before, I don't believe it will.   TM Replies to this message: circlew (Jan 11, 2009 4:46 am)
#17044 of 21283 Re: I'm back, too [garyh1] by tagman Jan 10, 2009 (9:43 pm)
Replying to: garyh1 (Jan 10, 2009 6:19 pm) But touch screen is the most intuitive and easiest to learn.   Amen.   Touch screen with a logical GUI is clearly superior.   TM
#17045 of 21283 Re: Jag XF-R [tagman] by circlew Jan 11, 2009 (4:46 am)
Replying to: tagman (Jan 10, 2009 9:37 pm) But, as I've posted before, I don't believe it will.   I'm a sucker for a pretty face.     Regards, OW
#17046 of 21283 Re: Jag XF-R [circlew] by m4d_cow Jan 11, 2009 (6:47 am)
Replying to: circlew (Jan 10, 2009 12:36 pm) I really like this car...blown even better!   I'm no fan of the front end, which resembles Lexus in more ways than one. However, the rear quarters and the interior are a beaut. Replies to this message: tagman (Jan 11, 2009 6:59 am)
#17047 of 21283 Re: Jag XF-R [m4d_cow] by tagman Jan 11, 2009 (6:59 am)
Replying to: m4d_cow (Jan 11, 2009 6:47 am) I agree. From a design perspective, the front end is the weak link. The rear, however, is indeed very good... which has Aston Martin written all over it, IMO.   TM
#17049 of 21283 Re: I'm back, too [theanimal] by m4d_cow Jan 11, 2009 (10:08 am)
My take:   Styling, I got two words: Lexus GS. This may mark the first time MB copies Lexus instead of the other way around. Front end looks good, but the rest... gosh it's bland. Inside: back to the 90's, not necessarily a good thing... and like you said, looks cheap. The wood trim seems nicely grained, but it'd be much nicer if the color doesn't seem so... dead.

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