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Re: Market watch [ljflx] by circlew
Jan 07, 2009 (1:21 pm)
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Replying to: ljflx (Jan 07, 2009 12:02 pm)

Some say the speculation has no legs as it had in the prior 12 months due to hedge fund capitulation. I wonder how the future trading mechanisms will control the price going forward in the market considering supposed calls for transparency. The facts you mentioned and the buy to fill the SPR show that the short term top collapsed (like the residuals of BMW's!) despite the usual market concerns. It seems to me the natural market forces are back for the present moment.
 
Regards,
OW
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Re: I'm back, too [garyh1] by ljflx
Jan 07, 2009 (1:50 pm)
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Replying to: garyh1 (Jan 06, 2009 9:17 pm)

Personally, I also decided I really don't want that "AMG Sport package", which is basically some extra fender skirts (which are fine) and the oversize 19" wheels (which look fine but IMHO mess up the ride on bumpy roads and are easily bent).
 
Gary, thanks for that heads-up. I'd certainly consider the S-class again, especally if this GL proves to be reliable. I'm very impressed with the GL build quality and I expect it to be reliable. The S, just like the LS460L is a dream machine for luxury and a plush ride. I wouldn't want anything to interfere with that attribute. I had the S550 for the bulk of a day in test driving and was very impressed with it.
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Re: From what I see... [m4d_cow] by lexusguy
Jan 07, 2009 (6:07 pm)
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Replying to: m4d_cow (Jan 07, 2009 9:44 am)

Acura is actually being smart.
 
I don't think any of this was Acura's decision. I think if it was up to them, they'd still be full steam ahead with a V8 powered, RWD 7, S, LS competitor. I think Honda HQ came in with a hatchet.
 
If I were in charge, the beaks would be gone - tomorrow. The new electric steering systems in the TSX and TL would be replaced with the old versions that people actually liked. I'd buy new 8-speed transmissions from Aisin or ZF, and dump the 5-speeds that Acura has been using for a decade. I'd offer Type R versions with available manual transmissions for every model, and have Recaro design the seats. I'd steal designers from Audi, and have them redo every Acura interior. Plastic wood, fake aluminum, and fake carbon fiber would be banished from the brand.
 
I'd bring back the RSX, and offer it with SH-AWD and a turbo four for the Type R version, same with the TSX Type R. I'd bring back the CL as a soft top convertible version of the TL, with its own bodywork. I'd eliminate the RL, and have the MDX be the flagship of the brand.
 
Unfortunately I don't think any of the above is likely, and I predict that Acura will be crushed by a combination of Hyundai and Infiniti.
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Re: Adolph Merckle [circlew] by ljflx
Jan 07, 2009 (7:34 pm)
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Replying to: circlew (Jan 06, 2009 11:23 am)

Some of the reports today said that the little gifts Madoff asked permission to give out to his friends and family amounted to $1-2mln dollars in value per gift. One person received 13 watches and a large emerald ring. This guy is hiding in plain daylight and making high level judicial system folks look like his pawns. When all the data comes out the greed and lack of compassion of this man is going to disturb people.
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Re: Adolph Merckle [ljflx] by circlew
Jan 08, 2009 (3:42 am)
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Replying to: ljflx (Jan 07, 2009 7:34 pm)

Additionally, it is believed he had much help over the years as the scheme developed. When will justice be served? in a multi-million dollar penthouse?
 
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OW
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Confidence by circlew
Jan 08, 2009 (4:00 am)
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It looks like Hyundai has outwitted Detroit again. While they stick to past incentives Hyundai trumps them again. First warranty and now this...
 
"From the capital and credit standpoint, Washington has taken all the right actions," said Dave Zuchowski, vice president of sales for Hyundai of America. "But nobody was doing anything to address confidence. It doesn't matter if you're buying a refrigerator or whatever you're buying -- you're not going to do it if you're concerned about your job and your ability to make payments."
 
And Hyundai has gone a big step further by launching Hyundai Assurance, a new incentive plan that allows buyers to break contracts and return vehicles if they lose their job or income. The program offers to cover up to $7,500 in negative equity on the lease or purchase of one of its cars or trucks.

 
Winning
 
Now one can feel confident to buy a Genesis and give it back if their income goes south. Interesting and effective.
 
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OW
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enjoying the posts by dhamilton
Jan 08, 2009 (7:52 am)
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everyone. I'm actually entering in to the road bike [bicycle] world.
 
Coming from mountain bikes, it's a different world. I wonder if Howard would grace us with his presence and knowledge of all things bike.
 
I'm looking at Carbon Fiber frames, and at least a 105 group.
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Re: Adolph Merckle [ljflx] by dewey
Jan 08, 2009 (7:53 am)
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Replying to: ljflx (Jan 07, 2009 7:34 pm)

Since human history began some of the most famous people known were swindlers and thieves. Throughout history people like Madoff have existed from one generation to the next generation.
 
There will always be financial cheats in the future because there will alway be gullible people in the future. This idea was best expressed by someone who lived over two thousand years ago:
 
There must be a vast fund of stupidity in human nature, or else men would not be caught as they are, a thousand times over, by the same snares . . . while they yet remember their past misfortunes, they go on to court and encourage the causes to what they were owing, and which will again produce them."
 
Marcus Porcius Cato, 203 BC
 
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Re: enjoying the posts [dhamilton] by dewey
Jan 08, 2009 (8:30 am)
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Replying to: dhamilton (Jan 08, 2009 7:52 am)

Any more traffic violation court cases for me and I will have no choice but to ride a bicycle.
 
I may have to replace my BMW with a BMX.
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Re: I'm back, too [garyh1] by tagman
Jan 08, 2009 (10:22 am)
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Replying to: garyh1 (Jan 05, 2009 1:01 am)

Gary,
 
Terrific to see your posts! I apologize for not replying sooner with the rest of the gang. I've been very busy in L.A. for the past week and just got back.
 
Great news about your personal situation, and by all means the S-class is a great reward. Good luck with your choice on that. I'm certain you will love it. I have always been a fan of that car. I still believe that it is king of its segment.
 
I see you noticed my F150 acquisition.... LOL. Rest assured that I still love great cars, and I still own a Porsche Carrera S, a BMW 135i convertible, and a Jaguar XJ Vanden Plas, in addition to the wife's and daughter's SUVs. Six vehicles is too many, so at this point the Porsche is the one on the chopping block because I dont' see the point of having that much money sit idle, when I prefer to drive the 135i.
 
The 135i is my clear favorite. As Dewey points out, the engine is a ticket-generator, and I have been lucky so far, but I can't help but to go too fast in it. It begs to fly with such ease, it is ridiculous. The car is a darned hooligan.
 
My Jag Vanden Plas has been awesome, and I actually like it more and more over time. Classic all the way, and the gas mileage it obtains is off the charts. Afterall, it only weights a little more than a BMW 3-Series, due to its aluminum body construction, and shares similar HP and torque figures as well.
 
The Porsche is for sale, so I won't say anything good about it, or I'll want to keep it... LOL. No, I'm kidding... it's an awesome vehicle and I have been blessed to own it. Time for some housekeeping though, so it is bye-bye for the 911.
 
The wife's MDX will need replacement in the not-too-distant future. Maybe a Mercedes GL, like Len's, but it's still too early to say, as there could be other vehicles that might hit the market before we pull that trigger.
 
My daughter wanted to go the hybrid route, so she selected herself a Ford Escape Limited Hybrid. Let's just say that I was a supportive dad, and the vehicle is better than I thought it would be... way better.
 
The F150... I don't expect to keep it very long, but in the meantime, it's a nice alternative and we treat it as a welcome member of our funky fleet.
 
I hope to get a hybrid sporty vehicle in the future. Either the upcoming Prius Coupe hybrid, or the upcoming Honda CR-Z Coupe hybrid might do the trick.
 
Business is challenging for the good TagMan at this point in time, but I expect to change our business model and get through this mess. We can't all be as fortunate as you were on your last business transaction. That was fantastic and I am so glad for you.
 
I enjoyed some of the poster's predictions for the upcoming year. If we all knew the future, we wouldn't call it "predicting" the future, we'd call it "reporting" the future. Investors indulge in predicting the future more than most of us, as they try to determine just what will happen to the markets, the companies, the indexes, etc. And just when they think they've got it all figured out, something unexpected comes along and changes the whole game.
 
Guys like Len are very good at reading all the signs that give feedback as to where things are headed. I am envious of that ability. I have typically made money the old-fashioned way, although I have made a few very good choices in real estate along my way. I kick myself, however, for letting a piece of Hawaii beachfront property go years ago that is now worth 12 million. Damn! Oh well... win some, lose some. And, lately it's been lose some. What goes up must come down? I figure it's time to go back up.
 
Take care, and I'll be on the lookout for more of your posts, as well as try to stay in touch with all the other posters here as well. I've been delinquent, lately.
 
TM

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