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Replying to: louiswei (Jan 02, 2009 11:20 am) I hear you. I'm somewhat disappointed by their pricing strategy as well. Regardless of MSRP the 2008 model A4 cost only $1200 less than comparable 3series AWD in this area. The bloated price will make it worse imo. Of course, given Audi's superior popularity over BMW in this area it may not bother them much in the end... As optimistic as I am on Audi's future, I'm expecting them to become a strong player globally, like Asia (except China and Korea) where MB normally rules (and overpricing like hell) or Europe where higher price (over BMW) never really bother them that much, not in US. I actually paid my lowest premium price yet today - $1.63. Good for you, ljflx. Premium in my area never dropped to less than $1.69/gal (2 weeks ago). Now? A solid $1.75 like back in the early 2000s... 
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Replying to: ljflx (Jan 03, 2009 8:57 am)  And the price spikes reflect recent demand trends globally.  Damn those SUV's and Economic prosperity in the regions of the world! Regards, OW |
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Replying to: m4d_cow (Jan 03, 2009 9:13 am) In China I believe that Audi has the #1 share position in it's class. If you go there you willl see A6L's outnumbering 525iL's pretty handily. As far as big cars it seems as if the A8, 7, and S are about the same (from observations only). |
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Replying to: dewey (Jan 02, 2009 9:52 pm) HS250 to me sounds like maybe a 2.0L Atkinson cycle 4 and an electric motor, with a combined 220hp or so. Because it has to be a luxury car to wear the Lexus badge and luxury means weight, we're probably talking mpg in the low 30s - good, not great. If the cops have completely drilled the enjoyment of driving out of you, just buy a cheap old ES300 from '03 or so. They were extremely reliable, and too slow to get into any real trouble. The price will more than make up for any fuel savings that the HS250 would deliver. |
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Replying to: lexusguy (Jan 03, 2009 2:59 pm)  This week my wife and I are seeing a lawyer to sign papers that will allow her to commit me into a lunatic asylum if I ever sell our cars for a 93 Lexus ES300. In fact I wouldn't even sell our 83 MB300D for a 93 Lexus ES300. Just because a person wants comfort, luxury, fantastic fuel efficiency (assuming the HS has fantastic fuel efficiency), reliability and the latest technology does not mean I am willing to accept old gaudy junk from 1993. |
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In China I believe that Audi has the #1 share position in it's class. If you go there you willl see A6L's outnumbering 525iL's pretty handily. As far as big cars it seems as if the A8, 7, and S are about the same (from observations only). Not only in China. Audi A6 outsells both 5series and E-class the past 6 years if I'm not mistaken (can't remember where I found the data). The S-class still rules the large luxo class, and BMW still dominate the compact segment with the 3series. Funny how each dominate specific categories don;t you think? |
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Replying to: ljflx (Jan 02, 2009 8:22 pm) Manipulation, manipulation, manipulation! I agree though that the supply and demand will force the crude to head back south and make new lows The gas at the pump will follow. |
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Many households in my neighbourhood signed a petition letter to our reps basically saying 1) They're disappointed by the government's decision to give GM and Chrysler bailout with barely any strings attached, and 2) That GM and Chrysler have lost them as customers until every cent of the bailout is returned. Not too many people signed, only 229. However in a living community of roughly 280-300 houses it sounds plenty. This is my living area only, I dare say there are lots of others out there. They may not do so much as make a petition, but they'll probably lose faith in D2 for good. Given current situation, I'm not sure even GM can ignore that. Karma, I say. What goes around, comes around, bud. 
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Replying to: dewey (Jan 04, 2009 9:17 am) Er, I said '03, not '93. Big difference there. The '03 ES was just one generation ago. It had the ML stereo, NAV, and pretty much everything else that the current ES offers, plenty of comfort and luxury, it's dirt cheap, and too slow and boring to get you in any trouble with the fuzz. I thought that's what you wanted?
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Replying to: dewey (Jan 04, 2009 9:17 am) Hang in there....Our wives apparently have the same type of bmw, and on the occasions I drive it, it is good....There is an article in the N Y Times, on your mercedes, and I swear if I could find a comprable new car like that one I think I would try the diesel route again even though I deplore the fueling process...I am tired of the changing the sheetmetal every few years, so wouldn`t mind getting a car that just was functional and comfortable and stayed that way for at least ten years.....Tony
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