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Replying to: bmlexus (Dec 02, 2008 6:30 am) Make a mental list of the 20 best-looking vehicles built today. How many SUVs are on that list? Worse, SUVs are not terribly fun to drive. Think about it. What's the highest compliment that you can pay to an SUV? "It drives almost as well as a real car." Pretty underwhelming. You obviously have to live with an SUV's clumsy handling if you need the space. But if you don't, why bother? I guess that I don't see the point of a luxury SUV. To me, luxury demands, among other things, head-turning good looks & outstanding road manners. SUVs flunk out on both counts. If you need one, go ahead & buy one. But don't spend more than $30K on it.
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Replying to: m4d_cow (Dec 02, 2008 7:00 am) Actually I beg to differ, I think the ES will be fine but the GS (if Lexus leaves it as it is right now, which is just so-so in its class) will become the second victim after Acura. The reason I said that is because in my opinion the majority of the ES owners are just after the brand/badge/service/prestige-factor so it'll be pretty hard for them to downgrade to a Hyundai. GS on the other hand, attracts more (comparably speaking) enthusiasts than its FWD sibling but the car is only mediocre and really not that much better than the Genesis in performance. Sure there are also brand snobs who buy the GS but I personally think the it is going to take a harder hit (probably like couple hundred units per month) than the ES if Lexus doesn't do a fabulous job like they did for the last gen GS in the next re-design. |
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Replying to: lexusguy (Dec 01, 2008 7:20 pm) True but it is all relative. We already have a full time BMW 530xi touring for the snow. I am not looking for a Zamboni. All I want is a car that is better in the ice and snow than my BMW 335i with snow tires. Here's my personal proof. Last winter I was stuck in the middle of a road. A Prius driving Good Samaritan passes by and stops to help me. After my car starts moving the Prius driver zooms with his thin tires ahead to another road while my car gets stuck again on the very same road. 
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Replying to: bmlexus (Dec 02, 2008 6:30 am) Being unfair to the FX? Please refer to the recent post of Jimbres. A X6 or FX is useful to you  Maybe you can explain to us why a X6 or a FX is so useful or exciting to you because in all honesty I cant see any uitlity or excitement in such compromised vehicles. |
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Replying to: dewey (Dec 02, 2008 9:07 am) Dewey, maybe that Good Smaritan was driving an AWD Prius that Toyota has developed for experiments...
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Here's something that I really dont understand. President-elect Obama claims the future of a prosperous Detroit is green. But here's the problem. After ten years there is still doubt among many analysts that Toyota is even making profits on hybirds. The GM Volt with a battery that costs about $8K? Does GM really think they can break even with that car? The race to make small cars? The profits margins assuming there are even razor thin profit margins are just a fraction of what they are for bigger vehicles. So my question is how is the "Greening of the Auto Industry" going to lead to a prosperous Detroit.
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Replying to: louiswei (Dec 02, 2008 9:26 am) possible but highly unlikely. 
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Replying to: tagman (Dec 01, 2008 8:23 pm) The "M" in M3 to me means the Mediterranean. Why? Because of the Mediterranean climate and the curvey roads along the coast makes the BMW M3 excel (California too, but that State does not start with "M"). It's a different story during Toronto winters. A Audi S4 would excel during our winters while M3 drivers are screaming for the help of a snow dog digging teams. Jose I am sure there are many interesting Spainish routes for your BMW.
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Replying to: jimbres (Dec 02, 2008 8:31 am) Try Range Rover. Gorgeous. TM
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