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Replying to: dewey (Dec 01, 2008 5:13 pm)   TM |
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Replying to: 2001gs430 (Dec 01, 2008 5:37 am) 'Fraid not. I think we're going to be in this one for the long haul. The auto market will eventually recover I'm sure, with some adjustments and a general shift to smaller cars. I think the Q5 will be a hit and the A3 will enjoy much bigger sales than it does now, at the expense of nearly nonexistent sales of the Q7 and A8. The mid-lux market is also likely to not recover to some 150,000 sales a year for the major brands, so the A6 probably will not see a huge sales increase, even if the 2011 version is amazing. Something like the A1 could also do very well if they decide to bring it here. |
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Replying to: dewey (Dec 01, 2008 12:15 pm) I wouldn't be so sure about that. From what I've heard, those skinny, low resistance tires are absolutely horrible in the snow. A hybrid Camry might be a better choice in that situation.
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Replying to: dewey (Dec 01, 2008 5:13 pm) I think Infiniti is going to be surprised that the European press (and especially Jeremy Clarkson) aren't nearly as nice about their cars as say, C&D. |
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This is an awesome video of the Lexus IS-F pitted against the BMW E90 M3. For those who haven't seen it yet, here's the link. link title TM
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Replying to: dewey (Dec 01, 2008 5:13 pm) I myself am not a fan of the Infiniti or the FX, but I can’t see it being compared to a fat ugly whatever that is. I personally don't like coupe's I don't like the 1 series or 3 series, But I never complain how bad looking or tiny it is. There are too many x6 haters as well, they say the x6 is useless, but I never understood this, if something is useless for you don’t mean it’s useless for others.
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maybe it's the different blend in every area. Seattle's best taste better here. Of course the Sumatran makes all the difference, that I agree. yet nothing beats Kona.... As for now I'm enjoying a pack of pure Indonesian Torajan coffee I brought home (sumatran happens to be from indonesia too). Very strong flavor and a hint of sour in it, well it's arabican anyway... |
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My premonition: when Hyundai really enters the luxury market, Acura will become the easiest victim. The styling's gone nuts and the value is getting thin, not sure what's in Acura's mind. Lexus ES will become another easy prey, afterall I dare dismiss it as the cheapest looking Lexus, even the interior isnt up to Lexus own standard imo. Infiniti however, will most likely remain untouchable for a while. This due to Infiniti's clear mission, focus on performance first, luxury second. Only the Germans are currently capable of taking Infiniti's strong blows. Smart move, walking the path both other Japanese (performance) and the Germans (value) missed. As sales remain steady, I guess this method is a success. This Hyundai does not have. Of course, for this particular reason I doubt there'll be anymore Qs and QXs coming soon, performance and value are tiny bullets in the realm of 4-wheel mammoths. Hyundai should also start looking at it's domestic rival Ssangyong for a little lesson in interior materials. The cars are plain ugly out and bland inside, but the materials used are first rate. On par with Acura and MB I dare say, but below Lexus-Audi standard. No wonders there as Ssangyong learned 1sthand from co-developing it's earlier cars w/ MB (early models even used MB engines). Target the top-line Chairman for comparison. I experienced this car years ago (albeit in the backseat) in Incheon, s.Korea. The wood is real, smooth leather and high-quality plastics inside, plus standard TV??? There's even an extended version sold mainly to CEOs and business tycoons. A good start if Hyundai wish to learn more. I wonder, bmlexus, which area are you at? I've never seen a single Pagani Zonda anywhere in US. The only one I've seen was a black one in Madrid... If I remember correctly it was in front of a downtown plaza with loads of red flowers, arrgghh, I can't remember the place's name.
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Replying to: bmlexus (Dec 02, 2008 6:30 am) Make a mental list of the 20 best-looking vehicles built today. How many SUVs are on that list? Worse, SUVs are not terribly fun to drive. Think about it. What's the highest compliment that you can pay to an SUV? "It drives almost as well as a real car." Pretty underwhelming. You obviously have to live with an SUV's clumsy handling if you need the space. But if you don't, why bother? I guess that I don't see the point of a luxury SUV. To me, luxury demands, among other things, head-turning good looks & outstanding road manners. SUVs flunk out on both counts. If you need one, go ahead & buy one. But don't spend more than $30K on it.
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Replying to: m4d_cow (Dec 02, 2008 7:00 am) Actually I beg to differ, I think the ES will be fine but the GS (if Lexus leaves it as it is right now, which is just so-so in its class) will become the second victim after Acura. The reason I said that is because in my opinion the majority of the ES owners are just after the brand/badge/service/prestige-factor so it'll be pretty hard for them to downgrade to a Hyundai. GS on the other hand, attracts more (comparably speaking) enthusiasts than its FWD sibling but the car is only mediocre and really not that much better than the Genesis in performance. Sure there are also brand snobs who buy the GS but I personally think the it is going to take a harder hit (probably like couple hundred units per month) than the ES if Lexus doesn't do a fabulous job like they did for the last gen GS in the next re-design. |
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