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Replying to: m4d_cow (Nov 30, 2008 10:17 pm) I say give 'em time. Hyundai's rise has been so fast, it's nothing short of amazing. They've earned my respect and they really do deserve a lot of credit for their accomplishments. These times are historically challenging and tricky, so it might be a while before we really know the outcome and final verdict for the Genesis. So far, however, it does appeear to be a succcess for Hyundai, in terms of both sales and image. TM |
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Replying to: m4d_cow (Nov 30, 2008 10:17 pm) Now, a friend of mine has a 2008 Lexus es, and they paid about 40k for the car, and I have to say I think the Genesis looks more expensive and a well made car. Plus you get a V-8 engine with a heck of a lot more horsepower with not that much worse gas mileage. And you cannot forget the warrantee also. Most of the time with even luxury brands you are going to have to pay a couple thousand dollars for a 10 year 100k warrantee. I think that if this same car had Lexus badging or a Mercedes emblem people would not dismiss it just because they don't want the status of driving a Hyundai. If people could get over that they could get themselves a great car for a lot less. |
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Replying to: m4d_cow (Nov 30, 2008 10:17 pm) I believe their plan will be to divisionalize the Genesis but tat will come in time. For now, perhaps the Genesis isn't an out of the park home run but it's definitely a triple! Regards, OW |
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Replying to: lexusguy (Nov 30, 2008 9:27 am) yes, but we are talking 2015 target here. That's five to six MY away, and you don't think this recession would be distant memorory?
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Well, the thing is, many "brand shoppers" and "midsize-luxury shoppers" care for value and warranty much less than they do brand names and image. And sadly, they're with the majority. Otherwise Toyota wouldve dropped the Lexus name and sell the cars as Toyota Crowns. As for the badge, I must say even if it's labeled a Lexus I'd still dismiss it as not luxurious enough for the midsize class. The bare minimum, imo, for said class is Infiniti M. All the players in this class have multiple rounds in their guns whereas Genesis will only have 2 bullets: value and warranty. Neither big enough to hurt the rivals. Remember Acura shot with the value bullet and failed, miserably I dare say. A few years from now, when Hyundai's experience book is filled with entries, we'll probably be seeing a true luxury Hyundai (I bet under a different marque) by then. When that happens Acura and Lexus better be reloading their guns.
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"On the other hand, a deep blue A5 was behind me on the highway with its lights on, and then passed me and I was behind it on the exit ramp. Gorgeous car. The rear end reminds me of the Gran Turismo. " That I agree, gorgeous, period. My only concern is the curse of first MY, I'm still checking around for customer complaints or anything like that. If the results are good, I'll put A5 back to my list. "Look at Infiniti as an example of not really getting it done. One could make the case that their cars are as good or better than Lexus but they have not been able to convince most high end buyers to spend their $ on them. " Well, that was in the past though. Infiniti's current lineup is great (except the oddball EX and idiotic QX). I believe the 02 G35 marked the brand's rebound from oblivion. I personally think the Q was a nice car, but (as LG mentioned) received poor attention and marketing from Infiniti itself. As for now, well, Infiniti can't lure high-end shoppers cuz it simply has no high-end model available for now. So everybody's going back to their cloudy days. LOL, not me, I get cloudy days everyday from mid-fall to late-spring. Rain? Check. Snow? Check. It's finally snowing here, yet still raining as well, gosh this town is weird... I love Konas too, and it's not hard to get here (there's a shop selling Hawaiian goods), too bad it's far overshadowed by Starbucks and their gorssly overroasted robustas. I prefer Seattle's Best anytime over Starbucks....
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Replying to: lexusguy (Nov 30, 2008 9:57 am) BUT here in Canada it sells for a big chunk of change more than a BMW 335i. Which is fair enough because Audi's intent is not to sell too many Audi S4s so their goal is not high volume/competitive price but low volume/premium price. I am a frugal person during economic booms and busts and competitive prices plays a big role in all my purchases. Also I've been buying German cars for almost two decades and now is the time to buy a car with a completelly different purpose altogether: Frugality. During these times where my clients are losing money flaunting myself with a spanking new Audi S4 or S5 is not such a good idea (at least for now, who knows about tomorrow). For people who really want to flaunt their wealth and want to buy luxury at a full price and not luxury at a incentivized 15 percent off WalMart kind of price here is the car for you: link title |
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Replying to: m4d_cow (Dec 01, 2008 6:59 am) What? The GS is not at least as "luxurious" as the Infiniti M? Well, you didn't say performance...  Besides that I agree with your position on Hyundai, I don't think the buying public could ever see Hyundai as a luxury car maker just like they don't see it in Toyota, Honda and Nissan as well. However, can Hyundai have a spot in the luxury market with a seperate brand/dealership network? You betcha! Just simply pull a chapter out of Toyota's Lexus playbook and they should be A-Ok. |
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Replying to: tagman (Nov 30, 2008 10:48 am) a recent health issue at a hospital and now a financial issue.  Tag I do wish you the best. But for health reasons do stay away from NYC especially from those delis.
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What? The GS is not at least as "luxurious" as the Infiniti M? Well, you didn't say performance... Um, I mean the idea of the Genesis labeled as Lexus. The GS btw is far more luxurious inside, but the performance is pathetic compared to the M. Just simply pull a chapter out of Toyota's Lexus playbook and they should be A-Ok. Nailed the head 
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