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Replying to: anthonyp (Nov 28, 2008 7:00 pm) But my BMW 335 from the day I picked up my car to today has made me eager to consider another brand next time. If Hyundai produced a car that is equivalent to the BMW 335i I would buy the Korean model instead. Prestige? Heritage? Status/Image? The terms above sound like the relics from the ruins of a musty old castle. When I buy a car I buy "the car" and not the "image".
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One more thing on the Panamera, the center console looks like late model Nokia's Vertu cellphones. Nowhere near the word complex for a cellphone, but wayyy too button crowded for a Porsche interior. Bangle = Michaelangelo? .... nah. Bangle's design isn't for everyone. It's for those who like unconventional arts, say Frank Gehry's Gugenheim im Bilbao or Seattle Center, or at least Antonio Gaudi's works. Or another example, Van Gogh (no, not Picasso, that's just too extreme). Personally, I like some of his design elements, hate the rest. Like the 5, like the front, absolutely hate the Honda-like profile and odd trunklid. Or the 7 pre-refresh, love the rear end (yeah I do) but hate the front end, especially the eyebrows and tall nose. x3 is the only one I totally hate inside out. "However, what I got is getting called something like an elitist brand snob... " Aye, LW I hear ya. I get that a lot too. However even my (optimistic) parents who had faith in Lexus in it's early days (even dare bought a 1993 LS), found themselves having no faith in Hyundai's hasty attempt. Check early days Lexus, when their cars had no reputation yet, they did all they could with customer service. When my parents' car had AC problems Lexus came to their house with a flatbed, took the car to fix, and left them a loaner. After 3 days the car was returned to them and they took the loaner back. That's premium service, newbie luxo Hyundai must do the same to win customers. Do they? Nope. As for the question: "Is There Room in the Luxury Market for Hyundai?" I say yes, the real question is: What should Hyundai do to make room in the luxury market? |
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Sales for the U.S. luxury-car market, which includes everything from a Lexus to a Lamborghini, fell 30% last month from a year earlier -- on par with the 31.9% decline for the overall market, according to Autodata Corp., a market research firm. On top of rising foreclosures, a plunging stock market and thousands of pink slips on Wall Street, luxury-car makers say their customers also don't want their subordinates to see them driving a new car. Uh, sure. That means about 30% care for what others think of them, for those demographics a, umm, Hyundai may be the answer. But how about the other 70%? Not to mention there's still fierce competition from Infiniti and Acura (okay maybe not Acura) which still retain the "just near luxury enough" image. Plus Chrysler 300, still a considerable player despite the brand's shaky image right now. Btw TM, I actually found NYers kinda cold and too serious, most LAers somewhat individualists indifferent to everyone else. Oh well, maybe I'm just too used to NW style "friendly and laidback".
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Replying to: dewey (Nov 29, 2008 11:09 am) As I was doing my exercises this morning, there waving in the warm sun , in frount of the building was the `Maple Leaf of Canada`....I thought to myself `Dewey would be proud` Somewhere somehow prestige comes into the buying decision...In BMW case it is a better driving car, but the materials in the interior are inferior , and I don`t care for the idrive etc...If I were to have had the types of problems you have had I would definitely abandon the brand, as for me that is not prestige...A few years ago, BMW owners were a bit cultish, showing other owners a bit of respect on the road, but now that they are so large, I have found that to have diminished....Today I saw the 335 hard top convertable, bunch of young people going to the beach....It looked great except for the rear headrests....I wonder if they go up and down, or if they are fixed ?? I suspect `fixed` so that is a shame....Tony
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Replying to: anthonyp (Nov 29, 2008 2:45 pm)
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Replying to: rockshocka1 (Nov 29, 2008 4:55 pm) 
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Replying to: kamdog (Nov 29, 2008 5:01 am) Unfortunately most my driving is in bumper to bumper traffic. 
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Replying to: anthonyp (Nov 29, 2008 2:45 pm) I guess you are in Florida right now where there are still many Canadian snowbirds. My parents had a ocean front condo right at the border of Fort Lauderdale and Pompano Beach (my mother sold the apartment in 2002). Loved visiting the place and I did notice quite a few Canadian flags over there. |
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Replying to: m4d_cow (Nov 29, 2008 11:38 am) Good question. Here's the answer about that 70 percent according to the Wall Street Journal. . The average incentive spending on a premium car last month was about $8,100, compared with $3,430 a year earlier. But unlike past downturns, consumers aren't responding to traditional marketing devices like increased incentives, lease deals or beefed-up advertising, said BMW spokesman |
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Replying to: dewey (Nov 29, 2008 8:30 pm) Glad you found some Kona coffee at Costco. I haven't seen any locally for quite a while... but I stock up when it's available. I, too, consider coffee as important as food... I need it in order to survive in the morning. That first cup is heaven on earth. I posted recently (I think to hpowders) before the latest issue of C&D, that the 3-Series is as close to the single perfect vehicle available.... in my opinion. As much as I love and prefer my 1-Series, it does not hit the sweet spot for the general public as well as the 3-Series does. A 3-Series sedan is a near-perfect car, and it's very good looking, although the 3-Series coupe is one of the best lookers out there. The sedan is a near-perfect combination of practicality and functionality, terrific style, and outstanding performance and driving dynamics. It is the benchmark. TM
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