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21453 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 3:12 PM
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Whoever dislikes Hyundai seems to be taking a shot at it. Looks like many here want the badge more than the quality. No other manufacture is improving or growing as fast as the Korean manufacture. Time will tell.
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Replying to: clembo (Nov 28, 2008 4:25 pm) Better than Lexus  
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Replying to: bmlexus (Nov 29, 2008 2:13 am) Obviously the LS is in a category that Infiniti doesn't compete in currently. One could easily argue that the G and the M are better than the ES and GS. I don't think Infiniti is a better car company than Lexus but I'll stand with the statement. Neither one is a company that I put ahead of the Germans when I am loking for a car. |
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Replying to: bmlexus (Nov 29, 2008 2:10 am) I guess it's OK for BMW to have some bad dealers because the cars are great, but it wouldn't matter how great a car Hyundai builds because it's got the Hyundai badge. The Genesis is a rare value in the lux segment. Kudos to Hyundai. TM |
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Replying to: dewey (Nov 26, 2008 8:00 am) I only use DS rarely, like when I want to take off in 1st from the line, otherwise, I have found that I just don't need to keep it there, the tranny downshifts so smoothly that when I need speed, I just use my right foot. |
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Replying to: kamdog (Nov 29, 2008 5:01 am) You are right that the mileage goes off a cliff when you put your foot into the twin-turbo engine. On flat terrain, in high gear, at freeway speed, the engine will deliver decent fuel economy. There are many hills and elevation changes in my area, which just destroy the gas mileage. Plus, the usual California traffic. Sure, now and then I can get mid-twenties easily, but I cannot average more than 17.2 mpg overall. I'm OK with that until I finally go with a hybrid. Just waiting for a hybrid with a bit of a cool/fun factor. Shouldn't be too much longer... maybe a year. BTW, had a great steakhouse dinner here in NYC. Tried some street vendor food and it was good, too. That bagel, lox, cream cheese thing was a big surprise too. Man, these New Yorkers know how to eat! Now, time to go back home to some of the best seafood and California cuisine. And I'm definately ready to go to Fisherman's Wharf and get some fresh cracked crab with drawn butter.  TM
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Replying to: tagman (Nov 29, 2008 9:52 am) Regards, OW |
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Replying to: tagman (Nov 29, 2008 9:52 am) my family members who are from your neck of the woods are visiting us here for Thanksgiving. Steaks, pizzas, buttered crabs, over sized deli sandwiches. Your cusine tours of NYC makes my stomach growl. Kona coffee is hard to find in Toronto and believe it or not I found a pack at Costco with a oversized pack of Blue Mountain Jamaican coffee. In fact I enjoy my coffee more than food itself. |
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Replying to: anthonyp (Nov 28, 2008 7:00 pm) But my BMW 335 from the day I picked up my car to today has made me eager to consider another brand next time. If Hyundai produced a car that is equivalent to the BMW 335i I would buy the Korean model instead. Prestige? Heritage? Status/Image? The terms above sound like the relics from the ruins of a musty old castle. When I buy a car I buy "the car" and not the "image".
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One more thing on the Panamera, the center console looks like late model Nokia's Vertu cellphones. Nowhere near the word complex for a cellphone, but wayyy too button crowded for a Porsche interior. Bangle = Michaelangelo? .... nah. Bangle's design isn't for everyone. It's for those who like unconventional arts, say Frank Gehry's Gugenheim im Bilbao or Seattle Center, or at least Antonio Gaudi's works. Or another example, Van Gogh (no, not Picasso, that's just too extreme). Personally, I like some of his design elements, hate the rest. Like the 5, like the front, absolutely hate the Honda-like profile and odd trunklid. Or the 7 pre-refresh, love the rear end (yeah I do) but hate the front end, especially the eyebrows and tall nose. x3 is the only one I totally hate inside out. "However, what I got is getting called something like an elitist brand snob... " Aye, LW I hear ya. I get that a lot too. However even my (optimistic) parents who had faith in Lexus in it's early days (even dare bought a 1993 LS), found themselves having no faith in Hyundai's hasty attempt. Check early days Lexus, when their cars had no reputation yet, they did all they could with customer service. When my parents' car had AC problems Lexus came to their house with a flatbed, took the car to fix, and left them a loaner. After 3 days the car was returned to them and they took the loaner back. That's premium service, newbie luxo Hyundai must do the same to win customers. Do they? Nope. As for the question: "Is There Room in the Luxury Market for Hyundai?" I say yes, the real question is: What should Hyundai do to make room in the luxury market? |
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