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My Thanksgiving Is Now Complete! by hpowders
Nov 28, 2008 (3:54 pm)
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I received my January 2009 issue of Car and Driver today; the whiff of cheap whisky still on my mailman's breath from his family celebration of the day before.
 
I was about to comment on his tasteless choice of alcohol, and perhaps make a well-needed recommendation, but didn't when I noticed what he was holding-my latest issue of Car and Driver magazine. No! This was not just any issue; it was THE issue-the 27th annual "10 Best Cars Issue"!
 
I excitedly turned with trembling fingers to page 82 and sure enough there it was right on the first page of the article: the BMW 3-Series has been chosen for its 18th consecutive year! The 3 Series was the only BMW series selected.
 
To quote Car and Driver: "Is this perfection? In our view, no current family of cars comes closer to that elusive target."
 
Just a great way to end my holiday!
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Re: Is There Room in the Luxury Market for Hyundai? [louiswei] by clembo
Nov 28, 2008 (4:25 pm)
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Replying to: louiswei (Nov 28, 2008 10:25 am)

I really believe that Hyundai has improved the quality of their cars but I don't think that they will ever move upmarket to challenge the big boys. Lexus deserves credit for following through on a business plan that made the customer feel great about buying a luxury car, they also benifited from a growing global economy over the past 20 years, and they make a great car.
 
I don't think Hyundai wull be as successful in cracking the luxury market as Lexus has been. Look at Infiniti as an example of not really getting it done. One could make the case that their cars are as good or better than Lexus but they have not been able to convince most high end buyers to spend their $ on them.
 
It is more complicated than just having a great car, we all know that the power of the brand and any associated status/heritige counts as well.
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Re: Is There Room in the Luxury Market for Hyundai? [clembo] by louiswei
Nov 28, 2008 (4:49 pm)
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Replying to: clembo (Nov 28, 2008 4:25 pm)

It is more complicated than just having a great car, we all know that the power of the brand and any associated status/heritige counts as well.
 
That sums up what I was trying to say pretty well.
 
Thanks.
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Re: Is There Room in the Luxury Market for Hyundai? [louiswei] by dm1212
Nov 28, 2008 (6:48 pm)
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Replying to: louiswei (Nov 28, 2008 10:25 am)

When I hear "Hyundai", I immediately think..."Garbage". Before the Genesis, you would have had to be dumb to buy a Hyundai. You still are dumb today if you have bought a Genesis. Hyundai's are far from "Luxury" vehciles, and the "Genesis" is a perfect example. The Genesis doesn't even have Hyundai badging on it, because it would immediately scare a person away.
 
In a Luxury market, the Genesis would be up against the A6, 5 Series, E Class, and the GS. There is no competition, Hyundai are not luxury cars, never will be, and are junk.
 
Do yourself a favor, spend your 36k else where, perhaps on a 3 Series, A4, or C300.
 
I admit, I'm a name dropper, and would be embarrassed to drive a Hyundai. My first car was a new 92 SC400, which I still have today. Only 81k miles. Currently I'm driving my 05 A6, which is above and beyond a POS Hyundai..
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Re: My Thanksgiving Is Now Complete! [hpowders] by anthonyp
Nov 28, 2008 (7:00 pm)
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Replying to: hpowders (Nov 28, 2008 3:54 pm)

Hi Mr. H
 
It sure is nice to read your excited words again...Now if Dewey were to chime in, I would begin to believe that `All is right with the world---God is in heaven` That is a good thought....Tony
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Re: My Thanksgiving Is Now Complete! [anthonyp] by hpowders
Nov 28, 2008 (7:23 pm)
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Replying to: anthonyp (Nov 28, 2008 7:00 pm)

Hey Tony.
 
I always look forward to getting the January issue of C&D.
 
In this particular issue there is a stunning photo of Chris Bangle's masterpiece, the 3 Series Coupe, in Crimson Red; one of the best photos of a car that I have ever seen.
 
Tony, there are few cars as beautiful as the 3 Series Coupe.
 
As a devout believer in chaos theory, all has always been right with the world.
 
"Wrong" happens to be "right", Tony.
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Re: Is There Room in the Luxury Market for Hyundai? [dm1212] by cdnpinhead
Nov 28, 2008 (8:26 pm)
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Replying to: dm1212 (Nov 28, 2008 6:48 pm)

". . .I'm a name dropper, and would be embarrassed to drive a Hyundai."
 
Hmmm, I'm guessing you'd be embarrassed to be seen in a Hyundai, and that actually driving the thing, or enjoying whatever it had to offer, are way (way) down on your list.
 
To each their own.
 
Enjoy those fashion accessories.
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Re: As for Panamera [m4d_cow] by jlbl
Nov 29, 2008 (12:58 am)
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Replying to: m4d_cow (Nov 28, 2008 11:15 am)

The front is ok, though a bit Lotus-like in appearance
 
I find the ressemblance of some Porche models to some Lotus models has a long way back. As an example:
 
Lotus Elan M100 (1989-1995)

 

 
and 1990 944 S2 Cabrio (taken from Mystery car pix thread)

 
Regards,
Jose
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Hi by bmlexus
Nov 29, 2008 (2:10 am)
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Whoever dislikes Hyundai seems to be taking a shot at it.
 
Looks like many here want the badge more than the quality.
 
No other manufacture is improving or growing as fast as the Korean manufacture.
 
Time will tell.
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Re: Is There Room in the Luxury Market for Hyundai? [clembo] by bmlexus
Nov 29, 2008 (2:13 am)
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Replying to: clembo (Nov 28, 2008 4:25 pm)

Look at Infiniti as an example of not really getting it done. One could make the case that their cars are as good or better than Lexus
 
Better than Lexus

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