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Replying to: dewey (Nov 27, 2008 7:49 am) I am enjoying the second Thanksgiving this year. My recently won client is in Kansas City, yep the Mid West, so I had the Canadian Thanksgiving before heading over there, and now I get to take another TG long weekend. I like this one better since we get both Thu and Fri off. I wish I had stayed over in KS instead of coming back to the cold/wet Toronto. On the topic of cars, it never felt so good driving my Lexi after three weeks of rental vehicle, a PT Cruiser. No wonder no one buys these junks, only the car rental companies. My RX drives and handles better than that POS  On the financial front, I hope the markets will continue this rally to at least surpass the damages done in the past three weeks. You were right on with the warning on C,. Happy Thanksgiving everyone.
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I'm winding up my NYC visit tomorrow and there's so much to do here. I've got this last day to eat as much good food as possible and see a few more sights. The gals want to shop some more, which will only make my financial woes even more stressful, but compared to the big picture, it won't matter that much one way or another. I am particularly prone to popping into a NY deli and grabbing a "snack"... in the form of a thick sandwich. We need these back in California... LOL. But, my waistline doesn't need them at all. Lots of black Lincolns everywhere, in addition to the sea of taxi cabs. Buses and delivery trucks, and not that many privately owned passenger cars. So different than California. People alao dress differently and are more serious and much less patient. But, overall, New Yorkers are a nice bunch. I'll definately come back one day... when the weather is warmer. TM
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Replying to: tagman (Nov 28, 2008 5:56 am) I wouldn't call those NY deli sandwiches a snack. They are bigger than a tripple Big Mac filled with deli meat. I do agree with you that they are very good though. For the Audi fans here, I just read in the local paper that Audi does not think it can make the target of 200k units annual sales by 2015 for the US market. Why is that, I thought that it would be a breeze since you have filled my head with so many wonderful Audi products? |
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Replying to: 2001gs430 (Nov 28, 2008 7:12 am) I'm about to check out another "snack"... in the form of a NY-style pizza.  TM
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First of all, Happy Thanksgiving everyone. Hope y'all had great turkey feast last night and spent quality times with your family. I am away from home this holiday season but fortunately I have my girlfriend to keep me company and will take a trip to Taiwan in January for the Chinese New Year so it's all good.  Anyway, on to the topic of cars... I have spent the last several days trying to convince the Hyundai zealots at the Is There Room in the Luxury Market for Hyundai? board that in order to be a real player in the luxury market, having competitive products (cars) is not all. I was telling them that it's the total luxury ownership on top of the good products that defines the luxury market. However, what I got is getting called something like an elitist brand snob...  Well, since almost everyone here own at least one (if not a whole fleet of...) luxury brand cars I would like to see your takes on this topic. Whether or not you agree with the Hyundai zealots I think the comparison between the luxury crowd and Hyundai crowd could paint a very interesting picture. |
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Replying to: louiswei (Nov 28, 2008 10:25 am) The Lexus line is the closest of the true luxury marques to the Genesis. Genesis is an incredible value, IMO, and deserves a whole lot of credit. It's tough wearimg the Hyundai badge and "ownership experience", but that will improve over time, as has already happened. Hyundai's reputation is getting better all the time. Genesis helps. TM |
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Replying to: louiswei (Nov 28, 2008 10:25 am) From Wall Street Jouranl: (1) Sales for the U.S. luxury-car market, which includes everything from a Lexus to a Lamborghini, fell 30% last month from a year earlier -- on par with the 31.9% decline for the overall market, according to Autodata Corp., a market research firm. On top of rising foreclosures, a plunging stock market and thousands of pink slips on Wall Street, luxury-car makers say their customers also don't want their subordinates to see them driving a new car. "People don't want to look like they have money now," said Mark Templin, group vice president of Toyota Motor Corp.'s North American Lexus division. (2) Yup, that's right people overall are uncomfortable with flaunting their bling . Driving a Hyundai that is equivalent to luxury marques without the luxury marque is the right car for the right time. So you may ask how much is this so called ownership experience worth? Apparently the value of such experiences are just not worth the price. People cannot even be incentivized into buying the luxury experience. Incentive spending -- such as zero-percent financing and cash rebates -- is on the rise, more than doubling for vehicles priced over $60,000, according to Edmunds.com. The average incentive spending on a premium car last month was about $8,100, compared with $3,430 a year earlier. But unlike past downturns, consumers aren't responding to traditional marketing devices like increased incentives, lease deals or beefed-up advertising, said BMW spokesman Tom Kowelski. "This is the most difficult period we've experienced in North America," Mr. Kowelski said. BMW's U.S. sales fell 14% last month to 20,203 vehicles. link title Today luxury cars and SUVs are equally alluring but not in a complimentary sense. Fewer people want to buy them even if they are financially able to do so. |
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Replying to: 2001gs430 (Nov 27, 2008 4:37 pm) In fact we are enjoying our second Thanksgiving too. Family members from San Francisco are here in Toronto. I can assure you we are not going to eat turkey for the third time during Christmas. |
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"CLS500s are significantly cheaper (and far more plentiful on the used market). In my area you can get an '06 CLS500 for $32K, or a CPO for $37 or so. " Whoa, really? That's way below Edmunds TMV of $40k+. Did you mean $42-47k or really $32-37k? If that's true then helloooww CLS500. Btw, LG, I disagree with you on BMW 6 being ugly inside out. I actually find the styling pretty cool and very similar to the XK, though I do admit it looks kinda bad from the side. I stopped next to a black-on-cream convertible this afternoon and I still think it looks gratifying. Maybe it's like Dada and his prior affection over the XLR (beauty is in the eye of beholders), maybe I'll get over it, maybe not. However, if the CLS offers better deals I'll probably kill the 6 off the list. The new A6's rear end, now that's bad. They all look the same now, and the old rear end looks much better imo. The new one otoh, now looks mismatched with the front end. Bad.... "I was surprised when I read your post. I had no clue that the A6 was selling more frequently then the E-Class, and 5 Series. " Well, not in US, but worldwide, thanks in large part to China and Russia, the A6 outsells E and 5. As for the paint, ouch!!! I have no exact figure, but the last time my friend fixed his red A4's paint (deep red, 2003 model) it cost him over $400. Audi paints are expensive, and the worst part is it's really hard to match the paint with the rest of the body. Unless your car is really new you'll most likely still see the difference, no matter how slight.
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I too am having a hard time warming up to it. The front is ok, though a bit Lotus-like in appearance, but the rear half? Too much Lexus IS / Dodge Charger in rear windows and the whole rear quarter is more 5-door hatchback than a 4 door coupe r sedan.
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