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Replying to: jlbl (Nov 08, 2008 10:14 am) GM needs something good over here quickly, and the Opel fills the bill. 
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Replying to: hpowders (Nov 08, 2008 10:51 am) Surely there's got to be someone... anyone... at GM that is playing with a full deck. Are they all just brain dead? What is the reason for the age-old reluctance to offer Americans cars that get great fuel economy? In addition, they need to stop making Cadillac the only GM division that gets the latest and greatest. They need to "spread the wealth" to the other divisions,,, giving them just a tad more of the bling and a whole bunch more of the technology. To do so would help those other divisions become more competitive with the cars coming from Asia and Europe. If they are banking on the Volt, they are going to be very sorry. TM
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Replying to: tagman (Nov 08, 2008 11:22 am) They won't last that long to worry if the Volt can save them. Even with Government Money, they will need to give their cars away to keep sales moderate for the next year. Who pays? Who else? Toyota better watch out, though. They can not get complacent which I smell a hint of lately. Honda has a great strategy but Acura is taking the same meds as GM lately. I saw the '09 TL live and it really does revolt as promised from the guys on this board! Regards, OW
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Replying to: hpowders (Nov 08, 2008 10:51 am) All these past years in which I've been posting in Edmunds Forums I've been quite astonished by the scarce appraisal I noticed VW raised among posters. Here in Europe VWs are just what their name says, that is, popular cars. Best buys [Edit: at least, best perceived buys] for their cost. Additionally, Golf and in particular Golf GTIs have been for years the bench mark for the small-size sporty car classes. Relatively big interior for the car size, more than enough equipment, comfort, efficiency and economy. I could say, Golf (GTI) has been the car for the sporty youth?  May be the model names were are not adequately chosen. Golf? Even worst, Rabbit? Wrong tags, IMO. Regards, Jose
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Replying to: jlbl (Nov 08, 2008 11:41 am) For a while I felt like the Lone Ranger here, in support of VW... Even well before I bought my recent GTI. So... Jose, where were you when I needed you?... LOL... May be the model names were are not adequately chosen. Absolutely true. TM
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Replying to: circlew (Nov 08, 2008 11:32 am) Yeah... two failures... the Chevrolet Volt and the Acura Re-Volt. TM |
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Replying to: tagman (Nov 08, 2008 12:00 pm) I can be very lazy some times.  Sort of… So what! (¡Y qué más da!). No, this is not the truth; it is only I was afraid the quality of VW exported or built in America would be not the same as in Europe. Adding to that it was the size factor. I'm prone to think that small size and hatched form are not for the North American taste. But I noticed your loving the VWs. The Truth is not in the Size but in the Driving Quality. We fully agree.  Regards, Jose |
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| As I mentioned in the past, the next time you are stuck in traffic--next to a big rig---look at the massive build and durability...That we do well...The great big suv (chevrolet) is done well, but America went after the run of the mill cars...Massive numbers of them....and totally dropped the ball with the high end sedans.....What the American auto makers should have done is concentrate on the high end cars and inported the smaller models....I think it is a shame that twenty years ago, the management of these companies could not hold the line on some of the labor costs, that now have crippled the companies to the degree that they are bankrupt...Just think a new three hundred million dollar factory in Russia, and bankruptcy at home...and no I don`t have a solution ...Just too big and complex...Tony | |
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Replying to: tagman (Nov 08, 2008 11:22 am) You are right. If a company cannot adapt and succeed in business in a competitive environment, one of two things must happen in a free market system: 1. They become absorbed by a stronger player. 2. They declare bankruptcy and dissolve. I was afraid of what is about to happen: Every business failure in every industry will be getting on the government bail out line. The government was right in allowing Lehman Brothers to go under. Too bad they didn't show the same fortitude elsewhere. The stock market was going to tank either way. Needless to say, I hope the government stands strong and doesn't give a cent to any of the US automakers. They have turned out inferior products for years. Now it's time to say sayonara.
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Replying to: jlbl (Nov 08, 2008 11:41 am)
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