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Replying to: hpowders (Nov 07, 2008 7:30 pm) If you have an opportunity to see the X6 in person, you really should see it. But, do bring a barf bag. So often vehicles look much better in person... the X6, however, looks even worse in person than it does in the literature... considerably worse. I'm still suffering from nightmares. It's a monster, but it's an X6... you know what I mean...  TM
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Replying to: tagman (Nov 07, 2008 9:09 pm) quote from hpowders: I was kind of hoping for a hot hatch from BMW that would be practical and fun to drive. Instead we get the useless X6. I have never seen one on the road, on a dealer's lot or in a dealer's showroom. I hope it stays that way. my reply: If you have an opportunity to see the X6 in person, you really should see it. But, do bring a barf bag. So often vehicles look much better in person... the X6, however, looks even worse in person than it does in the literature... considerably worse. I'm still suffering from nightmares. It's a monster, but it's an X6... you know what I mean... TM |
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Back on track. Its been busy, hellish, and as I predicted I survived the layoff. 23 others weren't so lucky though, but they fired less people than I thought. Whoa TM what happened to you that you had to stay in hospital???  My thought on all this BMW thing: Well, guys. Its all back to one word: greed. Yes even BMW gets infected by the GMC-virus (thats "Greed for More Consumers" btw). H, why should BMW kill the 7? True the Bangle-7 is more a Lexus than BMW, but the pre 2002 7series is actually nimble and great to drive. Thats the one they need to restore, even the styling remains one of the best looking BMW ever imo. A boulevard cruiser it may be, but at least according to mags the 6 is still relatively fun to drive, though below BMW's usual standard. Also, there's always a huge market for big spenders and value shoppers (me) as the resale plummets pretty badly for a BMW. The X6 otoh makes less sense, combining SUV's tall stance and coupe's impracticality. Weird.... the X1 seems a better contender, but the styling? Eww..... x7? Huh? There's an x7? The X3 imo is the worst BMW ever. Combine odd face only a mother could love, cheap interior, lousy ride, unsupportive seats (backseat = park bench), and minimal features, and you get the x3. A flop that sells, only to show us that many BMW customers are as brain dead as Paris Hilton. bmlexus, a small update from my contact: 2009 models will get the new turbo. I received infos that by January BMW may replace the 6-cyl with the new turbo 3.0 making about 320 hp, dubbed 4.0i. Theyre still debating when or if the engine's gonna make it to US now or next fall. Upcoming 7 gets the 740i elsewhere, US will have to wait for final decision. There are only 2 downsides so far, the new turbo is more expensive and is expected to raise price by about a grand or more, and second fuel economy is predicted to suffer by about 6 to 7 percent. The CS is dead, 8-series a no go. If economy don't go better ways the x6 will become a one generation only. I'll keep ya posted with more. Why so long to wait? Why take so long to test? 
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We've all been yanking chains with Priuses and Insights, what about the err, "soon" (2 yrs away) to arrive Chevy Volt? Any thoughts? I just looked at the pictures on the web. Comparitively speaking, the Volt is the best looking of the 3, with the Insight a distant second and Prius dead last. That is, assuming the pre-production model really stick all the way to production line. The interior is arguably good looking, although I still have issues with the Apple style console, modern, futuristic looking, yes, but at the same time it looks kinda cheap. The first bomb dropped when I read about the specs. Seats only 4 (obviously the battery takes the center space) for starter, impractical for whats meant to be a family vehicle. Although I'm not too surprised as Honda's shown the same with Kiwami concept. Otoh I'm so curious to see how prospective customers will react, as to these people the middle seat matters quite a bit. Second bomb. Battery designed to have enough power for a measly 40 mile distance??? That means when battery's out we rely back on the old tech gas engine. How many mpg combined will that make? I've no clue as I see no estimated mpg on the chart. Worse yet even GM itself still have doubts on the battery pack's durability, I dont wanna spend 10k on new batteries after only 3 yrs or so. The final, atom bomb: GM estimates price at 35-40k????? What the heck??? Besides, how much will the charger cost? GM expects high federal incentives, but whether the government can afford it is a mistery. Also by GM's estimates, dishing 40k means you'll need a decade or more for return of investment. And by that time you'll have to change the battery pack already (add $10k), hence to actually recover the loss you'll need about 20 years!!!! That is, assuming: a) The battery can last 10 yrs, b) You never or rarely use the gas engine... not good. A Prius can be had for mid to high 20ks. And even with the Prius' lower cost, its said that it'll take almost 10 yrs to recoup the price difference over standard compacts, and by that time the battery needs to be replaced as well. Obviously driving hybrid is not about saving money, and as lithium batteries seem to be non-recyclable so far (thus adding pollutants) I guess its not about saving the planet either... Havent they learned their lesson w/ EV1? I got a terrible premonition that EV1 disaster is about to occur once again.
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Replying to: reality2 (Nov 07, 2008 8:02 pm)
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Replying to: m4d_cow (Nov 08, 2008 12:20 am) I hope the government doesn't bail out the US auto companies. If a business isn't working, they should be allowed to either consolidate or fold. Dumping money their way just prolongs the agony. |
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Replying to: tagman (Nov 07, 2008 9:09 pm) |
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Replying to: hpowders (Nov 08, 2008 5:14 am) Does that mean I can now say "I told you so" to Dewey... regarding VW? Dewey, what say ye, o' gent from the lands of the north? TM
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There is an interesting Road Test in Inside Line Opel Insignia Opel has got a well deserved good reputation in Europe year after year. The Insignia promises best class driving for little (  ) money. Regards, Jose
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Replying to: tagman (Nov 08, 2008 6:34 am) I'm sure Dewey could be quite content behind the wheel of a new GTI/Autobahn package.  The more I'm driving the 328i, the more I like it.
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