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Replying to: clembo (Nov 07, 2008 2:51 pm)  So... while your point is well-made and logical, I agree with hPowders. "Best" in class doesn't mean a car is necessarily the most preferred. Many people prefer the Z4, as an example, even though a Porsche might be best in class. I really don't know what competes with the 135i, but it's more enjoyable to drive than most cars I've ever owned, regardless of price. Frankly, if I only drive a BMW, I'd be just fine! TM
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Replying to: tagman (Nov 07, 2008 3:05 pm) My thought around classes doesn't consider your point of what car suits your style and mood. I was focusing on the class they compete in, I actually hope that BMW doesn't spread itself too thin with too many new cars - X1, X7, CS etc. I think that we have seen with the X3 and 6 series that they don't always produce the best cars in class if they try to do too much. It is easy for large companies to be good at many things, but it is hard to be great at them. Now I am off to dinner with my wife (EW?), I look forward to continuing after a steak and possibly a rum cake finish to the evening - cheers 
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Replying to: clembo (Nov 07, 2008 2:51 pm) I have been posting here for years that BMW should get rid of the 7 Series. It just doesn't fit in with the brand's sporty image. They should leave the luxo-barge concept to Lexus and Mercedes Benz, who both do it better. The X5 is one of the most impractical of SUVs. If you're going to offer an SUV, give us a competitive amount of cubic feet back there. I have no opinion on the Z4. I have never driven one, or even sat in one. I think BMW has over-stretched. Why the X6? I look for BMW leases to get more friendly again pretty soon. Better to offer attractive leases than have sparse show-room traffic, with hardly any sales. BMW must face the reality that most folks aren't going to buy BMW vehicles and hold them past the 4 year warranty. It doesn't matter if BMWFS offers 0.9% financing or even 0% financing. They want to lease.
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Replying to: louiswei (Nov 07, 2008 9:58 am) Well, not the one that's upside down though Well, you won't be getting 1 for free  They will probably change the damage parts,and sell it as new
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Replying to: hpowders (Nov 07, 2008 3:33 pm) Way too high a price but it defies physics quite well and blends luxo/performance at a new level. Call it a sublime M-5. How's this for thrust? The B7 ties the Audi R8, which is 1100 pounds lighter, at 12.8 seconds through the quarter-mile, at which point the gargantuan Alpina starts pulling away. The 551-hp Bentley Flying Spur can't keep up, and Audi's 450-hp S8 is so much slower it's hardly worth mentioning. To 60 mph and through the quarter, the B7 is within 0.2 second of the 510-hp, twin-turbo V-12 Mercedes S600, which means the Alpina will likely outrun the less torquey, naturally aspirated 518-hp 2008 Mercedes S63 AMG. But the B7's immense capabilities go beyond its mondo acceleration, hauling its 4684 pounds around the skidpad at a planted 0.91 g. Mauling the throttle, however, can convince the rear tires to break loose, and the B7 will indulge your drifting fantasies until you tire of painting jet-black arcs on the pavement (we had to try). Brake-pedal feel is excellent, and the one-inch-larger brakes (from the Euro-spec 760i) resisted fading despite repeated 150-mph stops, although stopping distances didn't improve significantly. Regards, OW
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Replying to: circlew (Nov 07, 2008 5:20 pm) I've done the power route already with the 545i. I found the agility of the 545i disappointing compared to what I was accustomed to when driving a 325i. Wasted a lot on gas too. |
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Replying to: hpowders (Nov 07, 2008 3:33 pm) Why indeed? The X6 is the answer to a question that no one is asking. It's ugly, expensive & inefficient. Why does it exist? What was BMW thinking? |
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Replying to: clembo (Nov 07, 2008 3:19 pm) Correct BMW is spreading themselves far too thin. Why the onslaught of vehicles that are almost guaranteed to fail--BMW V5, BMW X6, BMW X1.? Because they want to grow just for the sake of growing. BMW is acting as if wider model selections will make them a better company. More models based on single platforms means higher volumes which in return will produce both economies of scale and more bargaining leverage over their suppliers . Unfortunately that's not going to happen. BMW's reputable core competence with sport sedans will lose its significance if they coninue pursuing their non-competences in a variety of crossovers with limited cargo space  , a BMW microcar with battery powered ooomph  and a BMW boulevard cruisers like the 6 series is a bit too  BMW does not need to produce a car for everyone because there already is a GM and a Toyota and a Honda and aVW that can do just that. What BMW needs to do is produce cars not for the many but for the few who want benchmark sport sedans. Toyota is like the person at a party who tries so hard to be like by everyone. Instead BMW should behave like the confident person who knows who he is and has no desire whatsoever to go out of his way to please everyone. A BMW X1 is like the partygoer who puts a lampshade over his head. IMO that person looks just plain silly and embarassing. |
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Eat your heart out Lexus but the most reliable car is a BMW 3 Series. And who is the most reliable manufacturer? Is it Toyoto/Lexus? Nope! In fact BMW was rated as number one in terms of reliabiltiy. . BRACKNELL – UNITED KINGDOM – November 7, 2008: BMW’s biggest selling model range, the 3 Series, has been voted the most reliable car in a survey of Britain’s vehicle leasing companies. The poll, which covered the reliability history of nearly 900,000 vehicles in 2008, also revealed that BMW was the most reliable manufacturer overall. In an historic win over the Japanese car manufacturers who traditionally dominate in reliability surveys, BMW topped the charts in this year’s annual FN50 reliability survey. The BMW 3 Series was the most rated model for reliability, with the MINI hatch and BMW 1 Series also making the top ten, sitting fifth and seventh most reliable respectively. link title
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Replying to: jimbres (Nov 07, 2008 6:36 pm)
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