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Replying to: bmlexus (Nov 07, 2008 9:48 am) Well, not the one that's upside down though.
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Replying to: bmlexus (Nov 07, 2008 9:48 am)  TM |
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Replying to: dewey (Nov 07, 2008 8:32 am) We think alike. A Lincoln Town car? Didn't Tony Soprano and his mob use those for body-dumping in the Jersey land-fills? I walked away and retired 14 years before retiree medicare kicks in, so I guess I am not your typical retiree. Before I retired, I drove a BMW to work, and since I retired-nothing but BMW's, except for a short Rabbit interlude. Why on earth would I want to drive anything but a BMW? 
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Replying to: hpowders (Nov 07, 2008 1:52 pm) You and I both agree about the 3 series, it is best in class. An argument can be made that the 5 is best in class. I do not feel that the 7, X5, and Z4 are definitively best in their classes. BMW has proven over time that they do a few things better than any other company, I hope that they have not streched too far over the past number of years by introducing so many new products in other categories. Many great companies have gotten a little bit over their heads in similar situations. Given the current global economy which will weed out the weak players, this will be a good test to BMW, and others, as to how well they can delight the customers in the markets that they want to win in.
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Replying to: clembo (Nov 07, 2008 2:51 pm)  So... while your point is well-made and logical, I agree with hPowders. "Best" in class doesn't mean a car is necessarily the most preferred. Many people prefer the Z4, as an example, even though a Porsche might be best in class. I really don't know what competes with the 135i, but it's more enjoyable to drive than most cars I've ever owned, regardless of price. Frankly, if I only drive a BMW, I'd be just fine! TM
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Replying to: tagman (Nov 07, 2008 3:05 pm) My thought around classes doesn't consider your point of what car suits your style and mood. I was focusing on the class they compete in, I actually hope that BMW doesn't spread itself too thin with too many new cars - X1, X7, CS etc. I think that we have seen with the X3 and 6 series that they don't always produce the best cars in class if they try to do too much. It is easy for large companies to be good at many things, but it is hard to be great at them. Now I am off to dinner with my wife (EW?), I look forward to continuing after a steak and possibly a rum cake finish to the evening - cheers 
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Replying to: clembo (Nov 07, 2008 2:51 pm) I have been posting here for years that BMW should get rid of the 7 Series. It just doesn't fit in with the brand's sporty image. They should leave the luxo-barge concept to Lexus and Mercedes Benz, who both do it better. The X5 is one of the most impractical of SUVs. If you're going to offer an SUV, give us a competitive amount of cubic feet back there. I have no opinion on the Z4. I have never driven one, or even sat in one. I think BMW has over-stretched. Why the X6? I look for BMW leases to get more friendly again pretty soon. Better to offer attractive leases than have sparse show-room traffic, with hardly any sales. BMW must face the reality that most folks aren't going to buy BMW vehicles and hold them past the 4 year warranty. It doesn't matter if BMWFS offers 0.9% financing or even 0% financing. They want to lease.
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Replying to: louiswei (Nov 07, 2008 9:58 am) Well, not the one that's upside down though Well, you won't be getting 1 for free  They will probably change the damage parts,and sell it as new
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Replying to: hpowders (Nov 07, 2008 3:33 pm) Way too high a price but it defies physics quite well and blends luxo/performance at a new level. Call it a sublime M-5. How's this for thrust? The B7 ties the Audi R8, which is 1100 pounds lighter, at 12.8 seconds through the quarter-mile, at which point the gargantuan Alpina starts pulling away. The 551-hp Bentley Flying Spur can't keep up, and Audi's 450-hp S8 is so much slower it's hardly worth mentioning. To 60 mph and through the quarter, the B7 is within 0.2 second of the 510-hp, twin-turbo V-12 Mercedes S600, which means the Alpina will likely outrun the less torquey, naturally aspirated 518-hp 2008 Mercedes S63 AMG. But the B7's immense capabilities go beyond its mondo acceleration, hauling its 4684 pounds around the skidpad at a planted 0.91 g. Mauling the throttle, however, can convince the rear tires to break loose, and the B7 will indulge your drifting fantasies until you tire of painting jet-black arcs on the pavement (we had to try). Brake-pedal feel is excellent, and the one-inch-larger brakes (from the Euro-spec 760i) resisted fading despite repeated 150-mph stops, although stopping distances didn't improve significantly. Regards, OW
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Replying to: circlew (Nov 07, 2008 5:20 pm) I've done the power route already with the 545i. I found the agility of the 545i disappointing compared to what I was accustomed to when driving a 325i. Wasted a lot on gas too. |
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