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Replying to: tagman (Oct 20, 2008 2:26 pm) Indeed. The Titan has been a massive disaster for Nissan, and I doubt the Quest and Armada are doing much better. The Versa is getting hammered by the Honda Fit, and the Sentra is just awful. Mazda still has too many rebadged Fords, the turbo four doesn't really work in the CX-7, and the V6 6 has woeful fuel economy. They're also going to have to do something with that dirty, oil-guzzling wankel. Not exactly a PC engine these days. Subaru seems to be actively trying to kill itself. Subaru customers aren't looking for an AWD Toyota. They want something weird/ugly that's at least half decent to drive. Now it's like their designers are having a contest to out-bland each other.
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Replying to: lexusguy (Oct 20, 2008 4:13 pm) Well, why not add General Motors, Chrysler, and Ford (and maybe even Mitsubishi) to the suicide list. Will they actually succeed in their self destruction? We'll see, but if they don't completely destroy themselves, they will certainly end up as very different companies than they have been up to this point. And, of course, Ford also committed homicide with Jaguar, which is now trying to survive life-support by way of Tata Motors. Honda is attempting internal sabatoge of its own Acura division, but it's own Honda line-up is poised for major success... no, massive success, IMO. And the little darling, Tesla Motors, is already in a serious cash-flow dilemma, as it must speed up production while cutting itself in half. The automotive landscape is undergoing the first steps of major change, and the question of bailouts and whether or not we will have an economy that can support the auto industry as we've known it, is in the process of being answered. On a side note, I think the Germans are going to benefit from all of these changes, but they will need to introduce their newer, more fuel-efficient products sooner than they had anticipated. The Versa is getting hammered by the Honda Fit The competitive damage will continue as the Honda Fit will receive its first hybrid powertrain in the near future. Also, I would expect that the CR-V, which is already a smashing success story, will get a hybrid or diesel variant within two model years. TM
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This may not be in the US jurisdiction but a single standard should apply worldwide......... I had my Jaguar X-type serviced at Jaguar Thailand and was charged for 8 liter of engine oil change even though the spec requires only 6.5. Several enquiries were made to Jaguar Thailand and Jaguar UK and, after over a month, there seem to be no one responsible for this unethical act. So, beware and be warned!! |
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Replying to: lexusguy (Oct 20, 2008 1:12 pm)
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Replying to: tagman (Oct 20, 2008 5:58 pm) Somebody is going to go C11. I'm just not sure yet which one will be first. My guess is that Ford will scrape by, GM will go C11, and Cerberus will cut and run from Chrysler as fast as they can. Only their ego has kept them in this money torching uber-failure this long, but they won't kill themselves to stay in a business they never really wanted to be in. GM may swallow what's left (if they can actually find somebody to give them the credit to do so) or Chrysler may be split up and sold off to various parties. On a side note, I think the Germans are going to benefit from all of these changes, but they will need to introduce their newer, more fuel-efficient products sooner than they had anticipated. We'll see. M-B isn't in great shape right now, but Porsche/VWAG and BMW are doing reasonably well considering the climate. Honda will no doubt continue to make a killing in small cars, it's what they are best at. Trying to push Acura up to peer level with Lexus, let alone the Germans, is another story. They aren't doing a cut-price LS460, ala Genesis. They are doing an LS460 priced LS460. Who is going to buy a $70K Acura? All of those Phaeton owners? |
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Replying to: jimbres (Oct 20, 2008 6:24 pm) Indeed, it makes both Camry and Accord look incredibly dull by comparison. The interior is a bit less luxurious than the new Maxima's, but it's more driver focused, and more importantly it's a big improvement over the dirt cheap interior in the old 6.   Notice the reasonable number of buttons and reasonable layout. Honda used to do things that way. Now they do things like this: 
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Replying to: lexusguy (Oct 20, 2008 8:52 pm) I saw it advertised on tonight's MNF game. I was very impressed, and even mentioned what a good-looking car it has become. Notice the reasonable number of buttons and reasonable layout. Honda used to do things that way. Now they do things like this: Better known as the "shotgun interior"... LOL.  Actually, I've taken a close look at that layout, which is from the Accord, and it is indeed quite menacing at first glance, but a second and third look reveals that there is actually some logic to the madness. Climate controls, audio controls, and navigation controls are fairly well segregated into their own sections, and most functions have a clear analog control. Now, I'm not suggesting that it's a preferable approach, because it's not... but, it's really not as bad as it looks. TM |
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Replying to: tagman (Oct 20, 2008 9:18 pm) The problem is it looks really, really bad. Why is there a menu, info, AND a setup button? Control knobs are supposed to reduce the number of dash buttons, not increase them. Even BMW knows that.
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Replying to: lexusguy (Oct 21, 2008 12:13 am) Honda provides those direct-access buttons. Gee... Damned if you do and damned if you don't TM!
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