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Re: [dewey] by circlew
Oct 19, 2008 (7:29 am)
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Replying to: dewey (Oct 19, 2008 5:54 am)

Ah, you are at the leading edge of the new reality. The Luxury Lounge will change from now on!
 
Regards,
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Re: [tagman] by theanimal
Oct 19, 2008 (10:24 am)
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Replying to: tagman (Oct 18, 2008 10:41 am)

Actually, when the dust settles, there is one vehicle that stands out, and is a genuine benchmark, year after year, and is also a tremendous sales success... That vehicle is the BMW 3-Series. Coupe or sedan, It offers the right mix of interior comfort, luxury, features, and passenger capacity... as well as incredible style, major fun-factor, and superior performance.
  
It's almost too obvious

 
I have to disagree big time on passenger capacity. I love the 3 series, but unless you are a single person I see almost no usability in the 3 series. For me, a 5 series is too small between carting around my 2 kids and clients. That's why I sold my GS400 to go to an A8L. I would have looked at the XJ as well but my mother has one (2002) so I wanted to keep things different. Otherwise it would have been a serious contender with the A8 (if only the XJ had AWD).
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Re: [theanimal] by tagman
Oct 19, 2008 (11:40 am)
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Replying to: theanimal (Oct 19, 2008 10:24 am)

I have both an XJ in the long-wheelbase Vanden Plas edition, and a 1-Series... so, when it comes to rear passenger comfort, the XJ rules. Only a handful of other cars (such as your A8L) provide similar rear passenger accommodations. Now, my 1-Series is a convertible, so that makes it even tighter than a 1er coupe, which is tighter than a 3-Series. But my kids do seem to manage in the back of my 1-Series, and with the additional rear room in the 3-Series, I really have no reservations in recommending a 3-Series with its larger rear capacity.
 
Now, that all said, I do fully understand that the rear space in a 3-Series isn't ideal by any means, and I do have a long-wheelbase XJ for comparison, but I do believe that it (3-Series) has adequate interior room and is functional enough to give the car full consideration as a primary vehicle.
 
Could it be that your beautiful A8L has spoiled you?
 
TM
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Re: [m4d_cow] by bmlexus
Oct 19, 2008 (3:45 pm)
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Replying to: m4d_cow (Oct 18, 2008 9:59 pm)

This is strictly for the 6-cyl turbo, the v8 turbo is pretty much from scratch and will likely do better
 
All along I thought the inline 6 was the better car to choose, but your post has changed all that.
 
So the v8 is the better choice, but everything will be more expensive for the v8.
 
Thanks for remembering and replying.
 
After hearing troubles after troubles, I am not sure anymore about this x6,
 
The x5 naturally asp hasn't been replaced yet, will it be?
 
Will the next gen 5 seri have a turbo engine?
 
My dealer told me the next gen 5 seri won't have turbo engine, but I really don't think he has any knowledge whatsoever.
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Re: [m4d_cow] by bmlexus
Oct 19, 2008 (3:50 pm)
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Replying to: m4d_cow (Oct 18, 2008 10:46 pm)

Its designed in Japan but its built locally in Indonesia and Thailand. Also built locally in America,
 
Australia as well.
 
Has any1 noticed? Honda quality, interior,exterior, styling, keeps getting better than Toyota.
 
Has Toyota forgotten its brand?maybe competing to much against other luxury brands with their Lexus!
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Re: [bmlexus] by tagman
Oct 19, 2008 (4:59 pm)
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Replying to: bmlexus (Oct 19, 2008 3:50 pm)

Has any1 noticed? Honda quality, interior,exterior, styling, keeps getting better than Toyota.
 
That statement, my friend, is very interesting. I'll have to think on it for a while... It's true for some models, but not true for others. In some Honda interiors, the design is great, but the quality of materials is lousy. In some Toyota models, the interior design is stale, but the quality of its materials is reasonably good. Same inconsistency applies to the exterior designs as well. I mean, it's hard to believe that the Pilot has taken a design turn for the worse, and yet the CR-V is an amazing SUV. The Ridgeline is a smart truck that is pathetic looking, to put it nicely. And the Element is even too weird for generation X, Y, or Z. LOL. Toyota's SUVs and trucks couldn't possibly be more boring. The Corolla and Yaris are horrible looking. The upcoming Prius is messed up with that badge that is connected to the hood's leading edge... a terrible design idea that ruins the front end of Toyotas that are adorned with the ugly thing. It makes them resemble a Yaris. The FJ Cruiser Frankenstein SUV has been cancelled, and for good reason.
 
The Civic is a highly successful vehicle, and I have always been a supporter of this latest generation Civic. I personally think it is one of the smartest small economy cars ever built, although a little better use of materials inside would help out, IMO.
 
There's way too much here to talk about. Like I said, your statement is a big one. I haven't even touched the tip of the iceberg, considering that there are additional models to discuss, and that there is also the Acura and Lexus divisions that could be compared in terms of design and materials. Poking at Acura would be all too easy, and that would counter your statement that Honda is gaining on Toyota in terms of design and materials, at least as far as the Acura division goes.
 
Anyway, lots more to discuss on the comparison of recent trends with Honda and Toyota.
 
BTW, do you agree with me that Honda's Insight kicks the Prius in the butt?
 
TM
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Re: [lexusguy] by esf
Oct 19, 2008 (8:28 pm)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Oct 16, 2008 2:10 am)

Curious, did your tester have the sport suspension?
 
No, it did not. I don't think that would've changed my decision though
 
Speaking of the C5 A6 (last-gen), one day I met up with somebody else who works in my office who was driving a 4.2 (I had a 2000 A6 2.7T at the time). Both were black and you could barely tell them apart. We switched cars for the day. The smoothness and torque of the V8 were nice, but I came away thinking I had made the better choice. I think he agreed with me.
 
'08 BMW X5 4.8i • '06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet
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Re: [m4d_cow] by esf
Oct 19, 2008 (8:36 pm)
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Replying to: m4d_cow (Oct 17, 2008 10:14 pm)

esf, are you really willing to spend $51k for an A4? Because that's how much the new A4 3.2 cost when loaded, yes even costlier than a loaded 335i. I like the A4, but the unreasonable pricing convinced me to cross it off my list. On the new entries: hellooww CLS.
 
Huh? When did I say this? The A4 3.2, like just about every other 3.2-spec Audi, is a waste of money. Unless you REALLY need the smoothness of a six-cylinder engine (in which case I would tell you to get a BMW), the '09 A4 2.0T blows it out of the water. It gives you more torque, a decent amount of power (more with a simple ECU flash), a feeling of agility that the 3.2 lacks, and best of all, great MPGs. It gets better mileage than any other car in its class (328i, IS250, C300) by a very wide margin... AND the best acceleration. Sounds like a winning combo to me.
 
However, I think the A4 3.0TDI will be an even better choice when it arrives in the next few months.
 
I would write off the E350 because it's going to be replaced so soon. I know you can get a great deal but it's really painfully low-tech these days and while it's a very pleasant car it's not a particularly impressive performer. It's a buyer's market, so you can get a good deal on ANY luxury car now, short of a GT-R, R8 or Ferrari.
 
'08 BMW X5 4.8i • '06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet
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Re: [bmlexus] by esf
Oct 19, 2008 (8:41 pm)
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Replying to: bmlexus (Oct 18, 2008 9:18 am)

The Audi A5 is a whopping 1.4 inches longer than the BMW 3 Series coupe.
 
It's nine inches shorter than the 6 Series coupe.
 
You tell me which one it's closer in size--and price--to.
 
'08 BMW X5 4.8i • '06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet
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Re: [dewey] by esf
Oct 19, 2008 (8:44 pm)
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Replying to: dewey (Oct 18, 2008 7:31 pm)

Did I miss your return in my absence?
 
What made you decide to come back? Great to see you posting here.
 
'08 BMW X5 4.8i • '06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet

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