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Replying to: tagman (Oct 18, 2008 10:19 pm) Initially IMA couldn't do that at all. The newest version in the Civic Hybrid and Insight has the ability to deliver a very limited amount of electrical power alone, but its nothing compared to the Volt (if GM can stay in business long enough to produce any) and the new Prius. The Insight's real advantage is its price. It should undercut the Prius by several thousand, and the Volt by over $20,000. Honda should have no trouble selling every last one. |
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Replying to: m4d_cow (Oct 18, 2008 10:46 pm) Mercedes has the exact same problem. The ML was riddled with problems from day one, before the quality nightmares infected the rest of the German built range. The Alabama Benz interiors also don't measure up in terms of quality. The Spartanburg, SC built X5 also had horrendous quality in its first few years, but BMW seems to have improved that plant. That doesn't necessarily mean that a plant in Germany or Japan is automatically going to build a quality car though. The Mexican built VWs are infamous, but the Passat is built in Germany and has had more than its share of problems. The Canadian built Lexus RX has maintained its stellar reputation, while the Japanese built GS has become a piece of junk. |
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I know, guys, thats the real problem, I have no real preference in type or certain model as long as it fits the top3 criteria :style, performance, and comfort. However a backseat is a must, slightly snug is ok, wont use it regularly anyway. XK fails to meet the backseat criteria. I remember saying the back wasnt all that useless, I was wrong, I'm only 5'8 of course theres still room back there if I were driving. After plenty of thinking, the Slade is definitely off the list (after watching my neighbor's 07 slade falling apart). The A5 will most likely go bye-bye too, I'm concerned with the curse of 1st MY, and I dont think being CPOed will help at all. If I lose interest in x5 next time, then there will be no SUV left on my list. The xj, despite the aging looks, creep up my priority list non-stop. Too good to miss, I dare say... |
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Replying to: tagman (Oct 18, 2008 10:19 pm) It's either you hate it or you hate it less. I hate it more. This Prius is timid looking with its sub-economy Yaris looks. The Honda? At least it looks better. Their mileage will be my benchmark in terms of choosing which one. BUT I may end up buying a Lexus Prius assuming it will be differentiated with a better battery(litium ion versus nickel carbide) and AWD. If not I just may buy a hybrid Honda instead. I dont know about you folks but driving a spanking new luxury car would be a career killer in my case. Visiting my clients with a spanking new Porsche 911 while their net worths are shrinking and shrivelling would make me feel somewhat uncomfortable At least If I drive that ugly new Prius it shows that I am feeling their pain.
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Replying to: dewey (Oct 19, 2008 5:54 am) Regards, OW |
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Replying to: tagman (Oct 18, 2008 10:41 am) It's almost too obvious I have to disagree big time on passenger capacity. I love the 3 series, but unless you are a single person I see almost no usability in the 3 series. For me, a 5 series is too small between carting around my 2 kids and clients. That's why I sold my GS400 to go to an A8L. I would have looked at the XJ as well but my mother has one (2002) so I wanted to keep things different. Otherwise it would have been a serious contender with the A8 (if only the XJ had AWD).
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Replying to: theanimal (Oct 19, 2008 10:24 am) Now, that all said, I do fully understand that the rear space in a 3-Series isn't ideal by any means, and I do have a long-wheelbase XJ for comparison, but I do believe that it (3-Series) has adequate interior room and is functional enough to give the car full consideration as a primary vehicle. Could it be that your beautiful A8L has spoiled you?  TM |
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Replying to: m4d_cow (Oct 18, 2008 9:59 pm) All along I thought the inline 6 was the better car to choose, but your post has changed all that. So the v8 is the better choice, but everything will be more expensive for the v8. Thanks for remembering and replying. After hearing troubles after troubles, I am not sure anymore about this x6, The x5 naturally asp hasn't been replaced yet, will it be? Will the next gen 5 seri have a turbo engine? My dealer told me the next gen 5 seri won't have turbo engine, but I really don't think he has any knowledge whatsoever.
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Replying to: m4d_cow (Oct 18, 2008 10:46 pm) Australia as well. Has any1 noticed? Honda quality, interior,exterior, styling, keeps getting better than Toyota. Has Toyota forgotten its brand?maybe competing to much against other luxury brands with their Lexus!
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Replying to: bmlexus (Oct 19, 2008 3:50 pm) That statement, my friend, is very interesting. I'll have to think on it for a while... It's true for some models, but not true for others. In some Honda interiors, the design is great, but the quality of materials is lousy. In some Toyota models, the interior design is stale, but the quality of its materials is reasonably good. Same inconsistency applies to the exterior designs as well. I mean, it's hard to believe that the Pilot has taken a design turn for the worse, and yet the CR-V is an amazing SUV. The Ridgeline is a smart truck that is pathetic looking, to put it nicely. And the Element is even too weird for generation X, Y, or Z. LOL. Toyota's SUVs and trucks couldn't possibly be more boring. The Corolla and Yaris are horrible looking. The upcoming Prius is messed up with that badge that is connected to the hood's leading edge... a terrible design idea that ruins the front end of Toyotas that are adorned with the ugly thing. It makes them resemble a Yaris. The FJ Cruiser Frankenstein SUV has been cancelled, and for good reason. The Civic is a highly successful vehicle, and I have always been a supporter of this latest generation Civic. I personally think it is one of the smartest small economy cars ever built, although a little better use of materials inside would help out, IMO. There's way too much here to talk about. Like I said, your statement is a big one. I haven't even touched the tip of the iceberg, considering that there are additional models to discuss, and that there is also the Acura and Lexus divisions that could be compared in terms of design and materials. Poking at Acura would be all too easy, and that would counter your statement that Honda is gaining on Toyota in terms of design and materials, at least as far as the Acura division goes. Anyway, lots more to discuss on the comparison of recent trends with Honda and Toyota. BTW, do you agree with me that Honda's Insight kicks the Prius in the butt? TM
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