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Re: [lexusguy] by tagman
Oct 18, 2008 (3:29 pm)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Oct 18, 2008 11:40 am)

Since you bring up the question of rear space, the Jag XK's rear space is almost useless. By contrast, the 3-Series has useable rear space, and a terrific blend of everything else that makes it a car worth owning, at a price that doesn't kill a budget.
 
You are right about the E-Class. It's not the value it used to be known for. I'd stay away.
 
And, after a lot of posts, I think we all agree the XJ is the steal of the century.
 
All said, though, the 3-Series is a car that's hard to beat.
 
TM
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Re: [m4d_cow] by rockshocka1
Oct 18, 2008 (3:30 pm)
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Replying to: m4d_cow (Oct 17, 2008 10:14 pm)

45K is enough reason to drop the A5 from the list, but think it is in it's 2nd MY now. Not sure what, if anything was fixed, but now offers adaptive suspension/dampening, which the 08 did not.
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Re: [tagman] by dewey
Oct 18, 2008 (6:57 pm)
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Replying to: tagman (Oct 13, 2008 11:29 am)

Your next car a Honda hybrid CR-Z
 
When you do get that Honda I will meet you at the track with my soon-to-be Prius with its nasty looking rear spoiler and an external and internal audio system that duplicates the revs of a Lambo or Ferrari.
 
Let's race to the finish line. This will be one of the greenest and greatest Al Gore endorsed races of the 21st century. I dont think there will be any need for us to wear helmets or for us to feel any guilt whatsoever about those melting icebergs.
 
After driving extensively with my diesel spewing 83 MB 300D I may be faced with eternal punishment since the Vatican has recently declared that environmental pollution is a new deadly sin. I am hoping that a Prius will be my ticket to Purgatory or at least there is some kind of "Grandfather Clause" related to this new officially declared sin.
 
NEW DEADLY SINS ACCORDING TO THE VATICAN
 
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Re: [laurasdada] by dewey
Oct 18, 2008 (7:03 pm)
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Replying to: laurasdada (Oct 14, 2008 6:13 am)

There is a grain of truth in your post.
No make that a boulder of truth.
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Re: [tagman] by lexusguy
Oct 18, 2008 (7:22 pm)
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Replying to: tagman (Oct 18, 2008 3:29 pm)

Since you bring up the question of rear space, the Jag XK's rear space is almost useless. By contrast, the 3-Series has useable rear space, and a terrific blend of everything else that makes it a car worth owning, at a price that doesn't kill a budget.
 
Indeed, I was really just mentioning the XK as an alternative to the BMW 6 series. I just don't see any reason to buy a 6, not when there are alternatives like the Jag, or the 911, SL, etc. The 5 is IMO more attractive and better to drive than the 6, and a heck of a lot more practical.
 
Infiniti, Audi, Lexus, and Mercedes are definitely well aware of how tough the 3 series is to beat. The 3.0TT is an exceptional engine, and the recently refreshed car has the latest version of iDrive which may mitigate the car's biggest weakness.
 
An A4 3.0T S-line with ADS would have a fighting chance against the 335i, but I wonder if Audi will do one since the S4 will only have 333hp, and the same engine. I'm not sure what the plan is there.
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Re: [lexusguy] by dewey
Oct 18, 2008 (7:31 pm)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Oct 18, 2008 7:22 pm)

In fact my BMW 335i is even better than the new 3 series with the latest iDrive and that is only due to the fact that my BMW doesn't have iDrive to begin with.
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by m4d_cow
Oct 18, 2008 (9:59 pm)
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NO, no, I forgot to mention this (though I did earlier): it doesnt have to be brand new. A CPO will do just fine.
Thanks for the suggestions though, helps me think and narrow down the choices.
 
bmlexus, I forgot to post this follow-up on the x6's twin turbo.
I couldnt relocate the website so far, but I have this piece of info from the local dealer's mechanic. I'm allowed to post this as long as his name remains anonymous. Here goes:
There's been a few complaints overseas about the twin turbo's durability on the 3l engine. Most filed complaints saying the engine somehow overheats after extended driving of 2 hours or more. It appears that the problem remains with the turbo being unsuitable to pull the x6's extra weight. Problem is, the twin turbo's initially developed for lighter sedans and coupes, not for anything heavier than the 5 series. In case you dont know yet, bmw actually expect the majority of takers to treat the X6 as a fashionista's cruiser, not an s-bend blaster.
It is said that the newer x6 comes with the revised version of the turbo, along with 2009 products. One thing I havent been able to confirm is whether US bound X6 already get this turbo. The x6 reached the other markets many months sooner than America's, which lead to my assumption of hasty underdeveloped turbos on earlier models. Until there's confirmation I do advice you and all your friends to stay off cuz the turbo's really costly to fix. This is strictly for the 6-cyl turbo, the v8 turbo is pretty much from scratch and will likely do better.
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Re: [dewey] by tagman
Oct 18, 2008 (10:19 pm)
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Replying to: dewey (Oct 18, 2008 7:31 pm)

In fact my BMW 335i is even better than the new 3 series with the latest iDrive and that is only due to the fact that my BMW doesn't have iDrive to begin with.
 
LOL. That's funny.
 
But... I like my iDrive... I really do. And the new one looks to be sweet.
 
Now, on the subject of those hybrids. The picture of the next Toyota Prius has accidently leaked out, and the car looks essentially the same on the exterior with a few minor areas where Toyota messed it up... like that horrible Yaris-looking front end. Pathetic. The interior, however, looks improved slightly.
 

 

 
The Honda Insight is much better looking, especially the front end, rear lights, and the wheels... but, the Prius likely has a better powertrain and the ability to run at slow speeds on all-battery, which historically the Honda hybrids really don't do very well.
 

 

 

 
TM
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by m4d_cow
Oct 18, 2008 (10:46 pm)
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"No, its not a 3rd world Country! its originally made in Japan! "
 
Its designed in Japan but its built locally in Indonesia and Thailand. Also built locally in America, thats why such disparity in build quality baffles me. The ones they have here are much much quieter than the american built ones, and no rattles... I'm very, very disappointed with america.
 
Tag, dont you think the next Toyota Prius' face awfully resembles a car called Toyota Belta?
Its funny how so many people are driving the same car here, most are seen nowhere in US, like this Toyota called Innova (somekind of crossover MPV), Nissan Livina (I think its called Note in Japan), and loads of pink Honda Jazz (aka Fit in US). Even funnier as most of the pink cars I see here are driven by men.
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Re: [tagman] by lexusguy
Oct 18, 2008 (10:49 pm)
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Replying to: tagman (Oct 18, 2008 10:19 pm)

but, the Prius likely has a better powertrain and the ability to run at slow speeds on all-battery, which historically the Honda hybrids really don't do very well.
 
Initially IMA couldn't do that at all. The newest version in the Civic Hybrid and Insight has the ability to deliver a very limited amount of electrical power alone, but its nothing compared to the Volt (if GM can stay in business long enough to produce any) and the new Prius. The Insight's real advantage is its price. It should undercut the Prius by several thousand, and the Volt by over $20,000. Honda should have no trouble selling every last one.

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