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2008 JD POWER by atlas7
Aug 09, 2008 (7:08 am)
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Lexus at the Top Spot by a wide margin, 120. BMW, pretty decent showing, above average,167, just behind Buick. Audi and Mercedes, poor, below industry average, 207 and 215 respectively.
 
The stunner is Mercury, 2nd place at 151!
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Re: 2008 JD POWER [atlas7] by lexusguy
Aug 09, 2008 (9:29 am)
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Replying to: atlas7 (Aug 09, 2008 7:08 am)

Lexus at the Top Spot by a wide margin, 120. BMW, pretty decent showing, above average,167, just behind Buick. Audi and Mercedes, poor, below industry average, 207 and 215 respectively.
 
Definitely a good result for Lexus. Still, it has to be taken into consideration that a single bad apple can ruin the results for an entire brand (see Infiniti QX56) and that most of the reported "problems" are:
 
   1. Excessive wind noise
   2. Noisy brakes
   3. Vehicle pulling to the left or right
   4. Issues with the instrument panel/dashboard
   5. Excessive window fogging
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Re: round trip [lexusguy] by laurasdada
Aug 09, 2008 (9:55 am)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Aug 08, 2008 9:38 pm)

Yes, indeed. I am fairly sure that I am beyond being shocked by anything car-related anymore... Those that can afford it, can afford it. My hat's off to y'all. And that hat is colored green with envy and jealousy!
 
My son has told me that when he's playing for the Red Sox, he'll buy me an Aston Martin. But we all know how that really goes, post game interview and son proclaims, "Hi, Mom! I bought you that Aston Martin you always wanted!"
 
Think it's time to give the TL a Zaino bath...
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The new TL in all its "glory" by lexusguy
Aug 09, 2008 (9:56 am)
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The official images are finally out, and its really, really bad. The interior is Honda's worst yet, and of course the outside arguably is too. This is how Acura becomes "tier one luxury"?
 
I think one of TTAC's commenters sums this thing up brilliantly:
 
"Ugly coming and going. To think that I considered getting an Acura several years ago; now I wouldn’t touch them with a ten foot pole. I wouldn’t allow any of my cars near one for fear that the ugliness might be catching; afterall, it has swept through the Acura brand like the Black Death through Europe."
 



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Re: The new TL in all its "glory" [lexusguy] by laurasdada
Aug 09, 2008 (12:35 pm)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Aug 09, 2008 9:56 am)

Sigh. My last hope is that it tastes much better in person than in pix. Makes the simple elegance of my TL, with its basic wedge shape and simple, nicely integrated details all the more attractive. And, yes, the interior seems to continue the march towards "Transformers" look. But I find it less offensive (still, much too busy...) than the overdone, heavy exterior. Bangle's "flame surfacing" and signature "butt" are on the wane, I believe. Acura, apparently, does not agree...
 
How can anyone look at that beak and proclaim, "Yes! C'est magnifique! Brilliant! Tan bonita!" and believe it? Beauty is in the eye, this can opener may just poke out the critical eyes!
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Re: 2008 JD POWER [lexusguy] by atlas7
Aug 09, 2008 (12:47 pm)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Aug 09, 2008 9:29 am)

b>Lexus at the Top Spot by a wide margin, 120. BMW, pretty decent showing, above average,167, just behind Buick. Audi and Mercedes, poor, below industry average, 207 and 215 respectively.
  
Definitely a good result for Lexus. Still, it has to be taken into consideration that a single bad apple can ruin the results for an entire brand (see Infiniti QX56) and that most of the reported "problems" are:
 
I understand your point, but that is not the case regarding Infiniti. They did not have a car, truck, or SUV place in the Top 3 in any category. Yeah, the QX56 might be a lemon, but none of their other Infiniti cars, trucks, or SUV's scored well either.That said, they did score just above average, better than Audi and MB
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Hi. by bmlexus
Aug 09, 2008 (3:24 pm)
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Category: Midsize Premium SUV
 
1st place: Lexus RX
 
2nd place: Lexus GX470
 
3rd place: Porsche Cayenne
 
The Lexus RX shares much of its engineering with the Toyota Highlander SUV. The RX earned top scores, except in design and mechanical quality of its exterior and interior. In those areas, it earned average scores

 
Beats the cayenne x5 didn't even make the list
 
Category: Large Premium
 
1st place: Lexus LS
 
2nd place: Mercedes-Benz S-class
 
3rd place: Cadillac DTS
 
The LS series is Lexus's top-of-the-line model. It includes the $105,000 hybrid Lexus LS600h. The LS earned above-average scores in all areas and a final score that was the among the best of any car.

 
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Same old story by tagman
Aug 09, 2008 (4:46 pm)
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I am once again proud of Toyota for showing the world that it is possible to build a reliable line of vehicles.
 
Now, if it's style, performance, and fun you are after... well... unfortunately, it's still slim pickins from the Prius-builder.
 
After all these years, it's still the same old story.
 
TM
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Re: round trip [laurasdada] by dewey
Aug 09, 2008 (7:42 pm)
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Replying to: laurasdada (Aug 08, 2008 3:41 pm)

Just, please, no more brutal discussions of the finances of car companies and how they may or may not keep their books! Leave the beancounting to the guys that run GM!
 
Huh
 
What's left to discuss? Speedy and exciting cars.
 
Bummer!
 
That topic now is taboo for me based on my legal situation.
 
 So far I've been driving my BMW335i even slower than the Hyunadai Sonata I rented on a prior vacation. Just to be safe I go 3 MPH below speed limits to avoid the potential catastrophe of accidentally going 8MPH above the speed limit and getting caught again (God forbid).
 
So in my particualr case corporate finances of auto firms are far more exciting than the cars themselves.
 
So pardon my lack of auto enthusiasm!
 
Oh well at least I am enthusiastic about one thing. My most favorite recreational drug is both legal and healthy as indicated by the link below:
 
Next time I see my doctor again I will thumb my nose at him when he tells me "No more coffee."
 
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Re: round trip [anthonyp] by dewey
Aug 09, 2008 (7:49 pm)
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Replying to: anthonyp (Aug 07, 2008 12:22 pm)

So you're in agriculture? I find your perspective in various things quite uniquely interesting especially since my perspective is influenced by the urban concrete that surrounds me here.

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