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Re: round trip [laurasdada] by lexusguy
Aug 08, 2008 (9:38 pm)
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Replying to: laurasdada (Aug 07, 2008 7:26 pm)

He wants to know why I prefer the Aston Martin over the Ferrari in the latest C & D comparo. Well, the AM got much better mpg: 11 vs the atrocious 9 of the Ferrari! The AM must be a hybrid!
 
Did you see the difference between the base and as tested prices for the Ferrari? Yikes! Most cars cost less than those options!
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by m4d_cow
Aug 09, 2008 (2:52 am)
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Just, please, no more brutal discussions of the finances of car companies and how they may or may not keep their books! Leave the beancounting to the guys that run GM!
 
Aye, dada. 1000000% agreed.
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OW by m4d_cow
Aug 09, 2008 (2:57 am)
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335's pricing is indeed ridiculous, thats why I'm betting on 328xi, not the 335
How about the G sedan? theres an AWD version, decent luuxury appointments, and pretty decent sounding Bose system. Mileage sucks a bit, but considering the price difference (compared to the Germans), I still think its worth it.
You didnt mention speed or acceleration on your list, so I also recommend 2009 Audi A4. The upcoming A4 is roomier than ever, very very luxurious inside, and got the latest version of the turbo engine (if you prefer the smaller engine), which should help fuel mileage also. I wont bet on the 3.2, as you prefer stick, and Audi hasnt offered 3.2 with stick so far.
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Re: OW [m4d_cow] by circlew
Aug 09, 2008 (4:57 am)
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Replying to: m4d_cow (Aug 09, 2008 2:57 am)

Thanks, m4d_cow, speed is always infered! The G fits the bill perfectly. I tested the x and it is very capable and priced right. The future gas mileage might be helped as the G37 /w 7 speed auto bows in September. If it averages 22 tank to tank, it'll be a tick in the positive column on the list.
 
The 135 is in a class by itself and still in the running due to sheer joy of driving. Even at $40K, it's not that bad of a compromise for the performance return.
 
I definatly will try the A4 but the price is suspect.
 
Regards,
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2008 JD POWER by atlas7
Aug 09, 2008 (7:08 am)
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Lexus at the Top Spot by a wide margin, 120. BMW, pretty decent showing, above average,167, just behind Buick. Audi and Mercedes, poor, below industry average, 207 and 215 respectively.
 
The stunner is Mercury, 2nd place at 151!
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Re: 2008 JD POWER [atlas7] by lexusguy
Aug 09, 2008 (9:29 am)
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Replying to: atlas7 (Aug 09, 2008 7:08 am)

Lexus at the Top Spot by a wide margin, 120. BMW, pretty decent showing, above average,167, just behind Buick. Audi and Mercedes, poor, below industry average, 207 and 215 respectively.
 
Definitely a good result for Lexus. Still, it has to be taken into consideration that a single bad apple can ruin the results for an entire brand (see Infiniti QX56) and that most of the reported "problems" are:
 
   1. Excessive wind noise
   2. Noisy brakes
   3. Vehicle pulling to the left or right
   4. Issues with the instrument panel/dashboard
   5. Excessive window fogging
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Re: round trip [lexusguy] by laurasdada
Aug 09, 2008 (9:55 am)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Aug 08, 2008 9:38 pm)

Yes, indeed. I am fairly sure that I am beyond being shocked by anything car-related anymore... Those that can afford it, can afford it. My hat's off to y'all. And that hat is colored green with envy and jealousy!
 
My son has told me that when he's playing for the Red Sox, he'll buy me an Aston Martin. But we all know how that really goes, post game interview and son proclaims, "Hi, Mom! I bought you that Aston Martin you always wanted!"
 
Think it's time to give the TL a Zaino bath...
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The new TL in all its "glory" by lexusguy
Aug 09, 2008 (9:56 am)
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The official images are finally out, and its really, really bad. The interior is Honda's worst yet, and of course the outside arguably is too. This is how Acura becomes "tier one luxury"?
 
I think one of TTAC's commenters sums this thing up brilliantly:
 
"Ugly coming and going. To think that I considered getting an Acura several years ago; now I wouldn’t touch them with a ten foot pole. I wouldn’t allow any of my cars near one for fear that the ugliness might be catching; afterall, it has swept through the Acura brand like the Black Death through Europe."
 



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Re: The new TL in all its "glory" [lexusguy] by laurasdada
Aug 09, 2008 (12:35 pm)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Aug 09, 2008 9:56 am)

Sigh. My last hope is that it tastes much better in person than in pix. Makes the simple elegance of my TL, with its basic wedge shape and simple, nicely integrated details all the more attractive. And, yes, the interior seems to continue the march towards "Transformers" look. But I find it less offensive (still, much too busy...) than the overdone, heavy exterior. Bangle's "flame surfacing" and signature "butt" are on the wane, I believe. Acura, apparently, does not agree...
 
How can anyone look at that beak and proclaim, "Yes! C'est magnifique! Brilliant! Tan bonita!" and believe it? Beauty is in the eye, this can opener may just poke out the critical eyes!
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Re: 2008 JD POWER [lexusguy] by atlas7
Aug 09, 2008 (12:47 pm)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Aug 09, 2008 9:29 am)

b>Lexus at the Top Spot by a wide margin, 120. BMW, pretty decent showing, above average,167, just behind Buick. Audi and Mercedes, poor, below industry average, 207 and 215 respectively.
  
Definitely a good result for Lexus. Still, it has to be taken into consideration that a single bad apple can ruin the results for an entire brand (see Infiniti QX56) and that most of the reported "problems" are:
 
I understand your point, but that is not the case regarding Infiniti. They did not have a car, truck, or SUV place in the Top 3 in any category. Yeah, the QX56 might be a lemon, but none of their other Infiniti cars, trucks, or SUV's scored well either.That said, they did score just above average, better than Audi and MB

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