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Replying to: laurasdada (Aug 07, 2008 7:26 pm) Did you see the difference between the base and as tested prices for the Ferrari? Yikes! Most cars cost less than those options!
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Just, please, no more brutal discussions of the finances of car companies and how they may or may not keep their books! Leave the beancounting to the guys that run GM! Aye, dada. 1000000% agreed. |
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335's pricing is indeed ridiculous, thats why I'm betting on 328xi, not the 335 How about the G sedan? theres an AWD version, decent luuxury appointments, and pretty decent sounding Bose system. Mileage sucks a bit, but considering the price difference (compared to the Germans), I still think its worth it. You didnt mention speed or acceleration on your list, so I also recommend 2009 Audi A4. The upcoming A4 is roomier than ever, very very luxurious inside, and got the latest version of the turbo engine (if you prefer the smaller engine), which should help fuel mileage also. I wont bet on the 3.2, as you prefer stick, and Audi hasnt offered 3.2 with stick so far.
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Replying to: m4d_cow (Aug 09, 2008 2:57 am) The 135 is in a class by itself and still in the running due to sheer joy of driving. Even at $40K, it's not that bad of a compromise for the performance return. I definatly will try the A4 but the price is suspect. Regards, OW |
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Lexus at the Top Spot by a wide margin, 120. BMW, pretty decent showing, above average,167, just behind Buick. Audi and Mercedes, poor, below industry average, 207 and 215 respectively. The stunner is Mercury, 2nd place at 151!
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Replying to: atlas7 (Aug 09, 2008 7:08 am) Definitely a good result for Lexus. Still, it has to be taken into consideration that a single bad apple can ruin the results for an entire brand (see Infiniti QX56) and that most of the reported "problems" are: 1. Excessive wind noise 2. Noisy brakes 3. Vehicle pulling to the left or right 4. Issues with the instrument panel/dashboard 5. Excessive window fogging
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Replying to: lexusguy (Aug 08, 2008 9:38 pm) My son has told me that when he's playing for the Red Sox, he'll buy me an Aston Martin. But we all know how that really goes, post game interview and son proclaims, "Hi, Mom! I bought you that Aston Martin you always wanted!" Think it's time to give the TL a Zaino bath... |
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The official images are finally out, and its really, really bad. The interior is Honda's worst yet, and of course the outside arguably is too. This is how Acura becomes "tier one luxury"? I think one of TTAC's commenters sums this thing up brilliantly: "Ugly coming and going. To think that I considered getting an Acura several years ago; now I wouldn’t touch them with a ten foot pole. I wouldn’t allow any of my cars near one for fear that the ugliness might be catching; afterall, it has swept through the Acura brand like the Black Death through Europe."
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Replying to: lexusguy (Aug 09, 2008 9:56 am) How can anyone look at that beak and proclaim, "Yes! C'est magnifique! Brilliant! Tan bonita!" and believe it? Beauty is in the eye, this can opener may just poke out the critical eyes!
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Replying to: lexusguy (Aug 09, 2008 9:29 am) Definitely a good result for Lexus. Still, it has to be taken into consideration that a single bad apple can ruin the results for an entire brand (see Infiniti QX56) and that most of the reported "problems" are: I understand your point, but that is not the case regarding Infiniti. They did not have a car, truck, or SUV place in the Top 3 in any category. Yeah, the QX56 might be a lemon, but none of their other Infiniti cars, trucks, or SUV's scored well either.That said, they did score just above average, better than Audi and MB |
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