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http://carsportals.com/2008/08/01/bmw-to-reduce-leases-from-60-of-its-us-sales/ BMW 60% lease Mercedes 55% Lexus 43% Cadillac 42 Industy average for all carmakers in the US: about 20%. Sure, most BMW and Mercedes are purchased not leased, so it was said by some authorities on this forum. Those numbers are this year through July 20, after MB and BMW both severely cut back lease incentives in the spring compared to years past. No, lease incentives have no effect on customers' decision on buying vs. leasing. MSRP is well justified, regardless subsequent billion dollar writedowns. hahaha. ============== Disclaimer: Please do not be upset if I compare you to savages or lost souls isolated from the world, or if I become patronizing towards you, my child. No offense is intended. If I call you a "imbecile," it's ony a term of endearment, as in comparing you to a cule 3 to 7 year old; likewise "moron is a term of endearment comparing you to a lovely 8-12 year old. If you stop arguing in the interest of peace after I give such explanations, I will have you banned.
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Replying to: dewey (Aug 02, 2008 7:37 pm)
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Replying to: credulity (Aug 03, 2008 9:41 am) Mercedes 55% Lexus 43% Cadillac 42 Industry average for all carmakers in the US: about 20%. Leases are starting to change however. There is not going to be much of an incentive to lease cars that don't get really good gas mileage. With the price of oil bouncing around like it is and the economy concerning a lot of people, it is very difficult for the manufactures to safely predict a vehicle's worth at the end of a lease. But unless you believe this is the end and soon we will all be forced to riding bikes and scooters, hold on to your performance cars as they may just increase in value before too long.
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Replying to: tx_buzzard (Aug 03, 2008 10:57 am) IMHO, cars are not going to increase in value (regardless what nominal prices do) because manufacturing itself is becoming commodidized. This whole credit crunch will mean the end for some manufacturers, but not others. As they say, when the tide goes out, we get to see who's been swimming naked  It's a healthy process that weeds out the inefficient manufacturers, and make room for new ones with better ideas and better methods. The world is already facing overcapacity in carmaking, and more new production lines are coming on line soon. Even many on this "luxury lounge" forum are praising the 1-series over others, a car that misses even the old $30k line for luxury cars from the late 80's without adjusting for 20 years of inflation . . . makes you wonder if the carmakers are marketting the correct vehicle mix.
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Ramblings warning: Greetings, all. I think the XLR thing is fading, on to the XK. My son and I camped out Saturday night (oh, yes. It did rain!) along with a few other members of the Scout Pack. Two stops on the way to the campout, first the bank to deposit a rather large rebate check ($10!), the second the local Jag/LR dealer. As has been the case each time I've stopped there, it was empty-ish. One couple, from what I could gather, talking to two sales folks about a used Freelander. Why? My son and I were finally greeted by a nattily attired (shirt/tie vs. LR Polo shirt) gentleman. I explained I was there simply to see if my 9.5 year old son would fit in the back seat of an XK Coupe. Mr. Salesdude, who had yet to smile, simply said, "No, he won't." There was nary a new XK to be seen, one used (black, nope) '07 vert. He did lead us out to an '07 customer's coupe in for service, but just as we got to the car the rain began to fall. And he RAN back to the showroom! We looked in the window at the rear "seats," which I'm familiar with but have never tried and headed back in to the showroom just as the downpour really got in gear. Small talk with Mr. Serious (not unpleasant, just business-like and straightforward) who insisted that young son would not fit, with the sloping roof of the coupe, in back. Maybe for short distances... He hoped that once I was closer to considering, that I would give them a chance to earn my biz. Well, first you'll need some cars... He said they didn't expect any new XKs for months... But, yes, I appreciate the direct, honesty. I'll be back... So, I'll continue the slow dance. Yeah, maybe a trip to Long Island with a briefcase full of cash is in order! But, decisions to be made. Does this replace the TL? That would be tough as a year-rounder here in New England, although long term reviews I've read have noted that XK shod with snow shoes have done well. Third car? Only two car garage, not sure I want to insure three cars... And then there is the (also quite scant) A5. Style, performance, quattro... one car that may fulfill my midlife crisis quota. But, it's not the Jag... This will be a long strange trip along the long and winding road. I'll have to keep my eyes on the road and my hands upon the wheel while I'm going mobile... Lexusguy, have you put real live humans in the back seats of your XK? How would you describe it? BIG and Jim (clembo): Enjoying your talk of New England. Don't forget to take Rte. 100 through Vermont and side trips... Definition of lovely. |
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Replying to: laurasdada (Aug 03, 2008 7:03 pm) Test drive twin turbo... and then try to wipe the smile off of your face (and son's). Pay no attention to the gals that keep checking you and the car out... you are happily married to evil wife. All sounds crazy or wrong somehow? Maybe, maybe not. Check it out for yourself... (on a sunny day... LOL). TM
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Replying to: laurasdada (Aug 03, 2008 7:03 pm) The reason why it was desolate in the Jag dealer is because sales are down 16% last month so that might also explain why the salesperson acted strange. Perhaps they will begin incentives to buy XK's soon! Regards, OW
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Replying to: laurasdada (Aug 03, 2008 7:03 pm)     
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Replying to: tagman (Aug 04, 2008 2:04 am) Your logic, Spock, is unwavering. Does the 1 wear runflats? |
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Replying to: circlew (Aug 04, 2008 3:18 am) There was a stuffed animal Jaguar on the hood of an XF in the showroom. The incentives have begun: I guess if you buy that cat, you get one free!
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