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Re: HADRON [louiswei] by lexusguy
Jul 01, 2008 (4:33 pm)
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Replying to: louiswei (Jul 01, 2008 9:52 am)

To me it looks like the 'Ring record war (started by GT-R) is the new HP war. Does anyone remember who started the HP war?
 
The nice thing about a lap time war as opposed to a horsepower war is that it involves the design and engineering of the entire car, not just the engine. Clumsy muscle cars like the CL65 have no chance. My guess is that one of the 1000hp per ton road racers like the Caparo T1 (if it can actually survive a whole lap) or the Ariel Atom 500 V8 will be able to break the seven second barrier, and the old guard like Ferrari and Porsche will never catch them.
 
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Re: More proof.. [blkhemi] by cdnpinhead
Jul 01, 2008 (5:13 pm)
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Replying to: blkhemi (Jul 01, 2008 2:39 pm)

"Posting a 19% decrease in sales usually doesn't translate into 3% increase in stock value, except for GM."
 
Happiness = Reality - Expectation
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Re: More proof.. [blkhemi] by tagman
Jul 01, 2008 (5:33 pm)
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Replying to: blkhemi (Jul 01, 2008 2:39 pm)

Hemi, pathetic sales are pathetic sales, regardless of how pathetic expectations were. GM is in trouble no matter what twist you apply.
 
I am one who has historically never counted out GM, and I am convinced that GM must take dramatic action immediately to survive. I suspect they might pull it off.
 
However, it is one thing to survive, and quite another to thrive. I'd rather see the latter, but at this point, are we to get excited just because GM's problems may not be terminal after all? What a pitiful state of affairs that is!
 
TM
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Tag by blkhemi
Jul 01, 2008 (6:09 pm)
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You are right. There is quite a difference in survivng and thriving. Hence that is why no company is thriving(slight excep., Honda), not even Toyota. In their quest to match Chevy, Ford, and Dodge, they overshot expectations and are full with Tundras and Sequoias they can't sell with 7K dollars on the hood.
 
Tag, we must all remember that this isn't just GMs war, this is a global war. The war is not won by who has the biggest warchest, but who has the best strategic action on how to defeat the enemy, dependency on foreign oil among other major issues.
 
Besides hybrid power that can't be built beyond 250k units a year due to supply restraints, what other plans of action does Toyota have substance? The same can be asked of Nissan and Honda. What is in the works that is superior to what the domestics have and will have in the future?
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Misery in the auto industry and the coffee industry by dewey
Jul 01, 2008 (7:12 pm)
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Depressing and miserable is the only way to describe US car sales for most car makers. EXCEPT for MB!!! Go figure.
 
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Re: Top Gear: 2008 Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X vs. 2008 Subaru WRX STI [bmlexus] by dewey
Jul 01, 2008 (7:21 pm)
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Replying to: bmlexus (Jul 01, 2008 1:59 pm)

Evo-X is a great car assuming I was 20 years younger and even a better car assuming that I reach that very long anticipated midlife crisis of mine that hasn't happened yet.
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Re: Tag [blkhemi] by dewey
Jul 01, 2008 (8:08 pm)
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Replying to: blkhemi (Jul 01, 2008 6:09 pm)

Besides hybrid power that can't be built beyond 250k units a year due to supply restraints,
 
Toyota has acquired bigger portions of Fuji which not only owns Subaru but also is a major battery maker. With such acquisitions Toyota is preparing itself to have the capacity to produce a far larger volume of hybrid batteries.
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Dewey by blkhemi
Jul 01, 2008 (8:30 pm)
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I did read that they raised their stakes in Fuji Heavy Ind. That was a very smart step, especially since GMs virtually none existant.
 
How long would one guess it would take them to produce a lith-ion battery for the masses at an affordable price? Keep in mind that it was Toyota who said that it would take time to overcome the shortcomings of the battery, mainly overheating issues and costs. Lithium technology is not cheap.
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Re: Dewey [blkhemi] by tagman
Jul 01, 2008 (9:28 pm)
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Replying to: blkhemi (Jul 01, 2008 8:30 pm)

And, Toyota recently acquired controlling interest in Isuzu, IIRC, and that could assist in diesel availability as well as their hybrids. They are flanking their competition.
 
As I posted earlier, I see Toyota and Honda as the biggest winners, with the Germans coming in strong, but late to the game.
 
And, I keep saying it, because it's true... Hyundai! Hyundai! Hyundai! (at raceway park... LOL.)
 
The General better get to serious work.
 
TM

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