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Replying to: tmjdds (May 02, 2008 3:24 pm) |
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Replying to: tagman (May 03, 2008 1:18 pm) Perhaps they've been able to improve the feel as of late. The last time I tried a BMW with AS was in the 5 a few years ago. |
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Replying to: clembo (May 02, 2008 2:52 pm) I don't know anymore to agree with you or not. No matter how much I tried to convince myself that I like lexus and hoping that they take a big step to improve the RX. But I still think I like bmw better but then again bmws are very costly to repair if something goes wrong. I always hear that bmws i drive is complicated japanese controls are always better and easy to. And I prefer japanese or germany built car which bmw SUVs are not. |
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Replying to: houdini1 (May 03, 2008 1:19 pm) Clearly we do. Still, if you haven't spent some time with an M, A6, or XF, I would highly recommend trying them before making a move on the GS. I drove both the V6 and V8 GS versions when my Lexus shop had testers available. I didn't like the V8 at all. The combination of VGRS steering and the VDIM stability nanny made the car just a complete bore, not much more than a RWD ES. The V6 seemed a little lighter on its feet and more agile, and the more basic traction control was a lot less intrusive. The 245hp just wasn't enough though (the 350 has mitigated this last issue). Aside from the lacking dynamics, I found the interior to be somewhat bland and cramped, and the trunk too small. The ES may not be my kind of car, but it's very well executed for the type of buyer that would consider one. The GS to me just doesn't seem well executed for any type of buyer. It's confused about what kind of car it wants to be. The E-class and even the Volvo S80 are more spacious and comfortable, and the A6 and M are much more dynamic and exciting. The XF, though I still haven't gotten a chance to drive it, seems to be a nice balance between sport and comfort. If that's what Lexus was going for this time, they blew it. |
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Replying to: louiswei (May 02, 2008 3:25 pm)  still the number 1 selling luxury crossover in this country 
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Replying to: louiswei (May 02, 2008 7:00 am)  Edmunds is the only publication that has compared the IS-F and RS4 directly, sans M3/C63. Are you just saying what you're saying because you favor the IS-F? The RS4 is no faster than the IS-F. But the IS-F isn't faster either. They're definitely on even ground. Do you know the IS-F's fastest 0-60mph time offhand? The RS4's is 4.2 sec. But at that point, it's splitting hairs anyway. Yes, all 4 cars are comparable in performance and it's hard to pick a less performer in this group. However, just going with R&T's non-subjective performance data, RS4 is simply outperformed by the others, including the IS F. Lexus fans always seem to think that when Lexuses aren't picked as the best, the article simply must be biased... Even if that is true, it's not hard to take, seeing as the RS4 has been discontinued and it's based on a last-generation platform, as opposed to the others, whose platforms were introduced at least since 2005. I just want to know what the next RS4 will bring; with its lower overall weight, superior distribution and more neutral handling, B8 MLP promises much in the way of performance variants. '08 BMW X5 4.8i • '06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet
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Replying to: louiswei (May 02, 2008 7:06 am) But who in their right mind would want a bare-bones M3? Just like all M3s before it, it's standard with nothing. Your neighbor's daughter, with her $300/mo leased 328i, would probably have more features in hers. Sure, a loaded 335xi can easily have a MSRP over $50k but with a little negotiation one can easily have a loaded 335i for around $45k. 1. I don't think so. 2. If that is true, how does it not apply to a similarly-priced S4? Sounds like you're still an Audi hater  '08 BMW X5 4.8i • '06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet
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Replying to: louiswei (May 02, 2008 11:35 am) You're probably right. Given that the next ES will be moving to its own platform (no longer sharing with the Camry) Lexus can finally be more aggressively with the GS. What has been stopping them since then? There is no model overlap; what does the Camry platform have to do with anything? Both the ES and GS will be midsize RWD (also AWD for GS) BIG no-no. If anything, it's the ES that should have AWD. A RWD ES will alienate all the people that have bought it over, and over, and over in the past. They buy their cars for the comfort and safety, not for the driving experience. Also, a RWD ES would serve no purpose in the lineup; IS and GS have the RWD markets covered and there is no room for one in between. I agree with you about the LS. It looks like a true upscale sedan now, especially with the hybrid's wheels. If it came with AWD, I would definitely consider it. '08 BMW X5 4.8i • '06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet |
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Replying to: tagman (May 02, 2008 9:57 pm)   Thanks much for the comprehensive review. I hung onto every last word, of course. Sounds like a fantastic vehicle; now I'm beginning to imagine getting that as my next convertible instead of something more grandiose like your Porsche or a Jag. Good mileage, fantastic performance, somewhat useful rear seats (more useful than the 911 and XK, at least), reasonable price. '08 BMW X5 4.8i • '06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet |
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Replying to: madrad (May 03, 2008 6:46 am) http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/WebX/.ee9e503?displayRecent '08 BMW X5 4.8i • '06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet |
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