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Part 2 - BMW 135i Review, I promised all of you by tagman
May 02, 2008 (9:59 pm)
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part 2..........
 
All in all, the BMW 135i is a surprisingly comfortable and fun-to-drive car that offers an almost unbelievable and practically ridiculous amount of excitement and enjoyment behind the wheel. The combination of the twin-turbo six, and the sport-tuned suspension, with its huge brakes, nice exhaust note, suspension dynamics, precise handling and great road grip make this car one of the most enjoyable and fun-to-drive cars that I have ever experienced. To illustrate this point, as much as I love my Carrera S Cab… I am quite often willing to park it in order to drive the BMW 135i.
 
Now, there is a little more to this story. On a personal note, I have been terribly frustrated about not being able to put the top down on my 135i Coupe. It originally seemed quite logical to me that my one convertible (Porsche) would take away the desire to have the 135i as a convertible. That logic has turned out to be meaningless, as there is no logic here anyway. I continue to want to put the top down on this 135i, and that’s all there is to it. Our weather here is truly spectacular most of the year, and just I love driving a convertible. Period. So… I have contacted my BMW dealer and explained this, and the management has ironed out a suitable arrangement for me to trade in my 135i Coupe on a 135i Convertible. In spite of what some might want to make of this, I feel no shame or embarrassment whatsoever for being true to myself on this and ordering the convertible. (I’m quite sure Clembo understands!) And, oh yes, I learned a little lesson with the Coupe and the convertible has been ordered with the Active Steering.
 
Lastly, I’ll address the question of why this car should exist next to the 3-Series. The evolution of the 3-Series has caused it to get bigger and bigger, as well as more elaborate and sophisticated. So big and sophisticated that there is now a gaping hole in the lineup for a smaller model. The 3-Series is a phenomenal car, and is perfect for someone wanting a sophisticated good-looking, good-handling vehicle of that size and stature. There is always the argument that a fully-loaded 1-Series is so expensive that one should buy a base 3-Series. But that’s not a new argument. Load up a 3-Series, and then one might consider a base 5-Series. But that reasoning is faulty because it suggests that someone doesn’t specifically want the car they are actually considering in the first place.
 
Then there is the argument about weight. What’s the point? The 135i Coupe gets from 0 to 60 in 4.7 seconds. Is that not fast enough? And, BMW will answer the weight concern for those diehards that need even more spectacular performance from a small vehicle… there will be a performance 1-Series in the future… possibly 2011 when the 1-Series will likely undergo a change. The 1-Series doesn’t need to justify its existence. The latest scope of the 3-Series makes it obvious. It reminds me of the way the Honda Civic evolved to the point of no longer being the smallest car in the Honda lineup. While the BMWs and Honda cars don’t directly compare, the example is appropriate. In addition, for those that understand the trends in the automobile industry and the automotive marketplace, smaller cars are absolutely going to continue to be more and more popular with the American public.
 
The BMW 1-Series is a gift that comes at the right time. Counterpoint, however, is that the 135i is simply too much fun and not enough value or practicality. That, of course, depends upon one’s point of view. Me? I’m hooked on the 1.
 
Regards to all,
 
TagMan
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Re: Part 2 - BMW 135i Review, I promised all of you [tagman] by lexusguy
May 02, 2008 (11:56 pm)
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Replying to: tagman (May 02, 2008 9:59 pm)

Great review. I would be very interested to hear what you think of the 1 with Active Steering vs. the standard setup after you've driven it for a bit. Personally I've never been a fan of AS, to me it seems to ruin all of the road feel (one of the chief reasons to buy BMW over somebody else in the first place) while providing little to no benefit.
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Re: Part 2 - BMW 135i Review, I promised all of you [tagman] by jlbl
May 03, 2008 (1:07 am)
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Replying to: tagman (May 02, 2008 9:59 pm)

Hi, TG, welcome back and many thanks for your review, which I found to be very informative. I missed your posts in this forum. Every time I saw a 1-Series on the roads, I asked to myself 'How would TG feel in his?'
 
I agree with you that there is no need to attack poster's personal opinions on cars or whatever (provided these are not offensive). I believe each poster can nicely post his/her personal opinion just for the pleasure of sharing it but not for purposely attacking other's. Every possible opinion is biased to some extent—how could it not be ? Other posters which do not share that particular opinion are free to post theirs. That will keep the forum fair, balanced and enjoyable to ourselves in the first place, and then to any reader. If only, every poster should keep him/herself restrained in order to not offend the antagonists. (That said, a bit of sparky provocation from time to time may well keep the discussion alive!!!)
 
Regards,
Jose
 
PS: 'There is not Justice but judges'
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Re: Part 2 - BMW 135i Review, I promised all of you [tagman] by clembo
May 03, 2008 (3:38 am)
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Replying to: tagman (May 02, 2008 9:59 pm)

Tag - nice to hear from you again. The review of your 135 was excellent and I can understand much of it since getting my 335 last week. You really described the engine well, it is truly the magic soul of these cars. I am glad that you are enjoying the 135 as much as it seems you are - it is a wonderful car.
 
I also fully understand why you are getting the Cab version, there is something about driving with the top down on a beautiful day (or night) that is hard to pass up, especially in a great car. I get your theory that the 997 was supposed to play that role but why not have as many options as you can, I own 2 convertibles as well. If I didn't use may Cayman as a weekend car in Porsche Club Autocross and Track Days, it would be a convertible as well.
 
Now on to your point about the need to be "fair and balanced' in our opinions on the board. I don't buy into that, most posters here have strong opinions (or even bias) about what they like best. We have had a few dust ups that maybe went too far but for the most part I believe our individual thoughts, ideas, and passions are what makes this board interesting to read on a daily basis. I hope you continue to contribute your comments to the board as things have gotten a bit dull during your absence.
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Re: GT-R [lexusguy] by 2001gs430
May 03, 2008 (4:24 am)
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Replying to: lexusguy (May 02, 2008 2:38 pm)

From what I know, the Corvette, as a bargain super car, did not completely dominate others in all of those most important performance categories. The base GT-R can beat its competitors without ever resorting to its price advantage the way most Japanese vehicles do in their respective classes. I can't wait to hear more about the "performance" version of this car.
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Re: Lexus Problems? [circlew] by 2001gs430
May 03, 2008 (4:32 am)
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Replying to: circlew (May 02, 2008 9:45 am)

Is this a Lexus only issue? How did other luxury/premium brands perform?
I posted an article a few days ago that BMW financial took a 200+ mil hit in the first quarter due to lowered resale values of its leased vehicles. So perhaps, car companies showed their trouble in different ways in tough economic times.
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Re: Lexus Problems? [houdini1] by 2001gs430
May 03, 2008 (4:40 am)
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Replying to: houdini1 (May 02, 2008 10:57 am)

Come on Lexus, you can do better than this.
 
I don't have any issue with what Lexus is doing with its line up of cars, except for those quality bombs we heard about in the current GS. I find it unacceptable to hear any type of excuses from a company that built its reputation on high quality standards.
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Re: Lexus Problems? [2001gs430] by houdini1
May 03, 2008 (4:50 am)
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Replying to: 2001gs430 (May 03, 2008 4:32 am)

I believe all, or at least most car companies are currently going thru hard times. The entire industry will probably suffer for a while.
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Re: Part 1 - BMW 135i Review, I promised all of you [tagman] by houdini1
May 03, 2008 (4:57 am)
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Replying to: tagman (May 02, 2008 9:57 pm)

Good review. Glad you are back. The forum has not been as enjoyable without your input.
 
Have you driven the 1 series with active steering? If so, how do they differ?

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