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Re: BMW & MB...Overrated????? [blckislandguy] by tx_buzzard
Apr 21, 2008 (7:20 pm)
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Replying to: blckislandguy (Apr 21, 2008 6:58 pm)

All in all the real bang for the buck seems to be in the 5 Series size vehicle
 
Ahhhh... very well stated from someone who has also done their homework. The 5 Series is a lot more fun than the 7 Series. Not as lux, but more fun for sure. The 550i is probably the best positioned vehicle in BMW's lineup. My reason for saying is; it is refined enough to have as a daily driver in stop and go traffic, it gets really good gas mileage if driven conservatively, and yet it also can be a really nice sport sedan when you feel like driving it like a BMW.
 
It is all personal preference here. I like all the Series as each are designed for different purposes and really cannot be compared to each other. However, after very close comparisons I found the 550i offers a little of everything (of what I was looking for anyway).
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Re: Lexus? Luxury? [houdini1] by lexusguy
Apr 21, 2008 (11:33 pm)
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Replying to: houdini1 (Apr 21, 2008 4:26 am)

You are joking, right? All the brand ratings are based on the entire brand. You can't just conveniently drop one product from the mix. Even if you did, Infiniti has a long way to go to match Lexus in reliability.
 
I'm not joking. The Armada has terrible quality, and because the QX is based on that and I believe comes from the same plant, its quality also hugely suffers. What other Infinitis (the "real" ones that aren't just Nissan rebadges) are unreliable? The G35 is more reliable than the ES and about the same as the IS, and the M is hugely more reliable than the GS. Pit the M35x against the GS350 AWD, and its not even a contest. Only the Infiniti has "Lexus reliability" in that case. If the QX wasn't destroying their overall average, I think Infiniti would either be at the top or very near it.
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Re: Lexus? Luxury? [dewey] by lexusguy
Apr 21, 2008 (11:38 pm)
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Replying to: dewey (Apr 21, 2008 5:32 am)

Chromed wheels and blacked out windows is not the fault of the MB S Class itself but the fault of the customers with pimping up tendecies.
 
Regardless, that kind of thing still does damage to a brand. Cristal used to be a respectable champagne.
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Re: Cadallac XLR retract ??? [ron89] by lexusguy
Apr 21, 2008 (11:44 pm)
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Replying to: ron89 (Apr 21, 2008 6:43 am)

OK, so anyone have any thoughts onthe XLR.Looks wise, its drop dead beautifull.
 
I'm not a particular fan of the SL, but I think trading an SL for an XLR is quite a big step down. The Cadillac is simply a bad product. As C&D said: "what to buy if you simply must be seen driving an American car". There is no other reason than that to buy one. I would suggest considering a Porsche 911 or Jaguar XK. While neither has the trick folding metal roof, they are both far superior cars.
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Re: BMW & MB...Overrated????? [gcluv09] by lexusguy
Apr 21, 2008 (11:55 pm)
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Replying to: gcluv09 (Apr 21, 2008 2:51 pm)

If you ask me the C class and 3 Series are "poser vehicles."
 
I won't really argue with you on the C-class. It's just the cheapest way to get a 3-pointed star on the hood, not a particularly great car. Some people buy BMWs for the badge, and some for the genuine performance that they offer. I don't think the 335i with the sport package and 6-speed manual is a poser mobile, that's a drivers car. The same could be said of the Boxster.
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Re: BMW & MB...Overrated????? [blckislandguy] by lexusguy
Apr 22, 2008 (12:01 am)
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Replying to: blckislandguy (Apr 21, 2008 6:58 pm)

All in all the real bang for the buck seems to be in the 5 Series size vehicle. Here one can find good performance, AWD, fun, and save 30K. Can anyone deny that an XF is a much better way to go than an XJ? An E Class with the V8 is better than a S Class? A Bimmer 5 Series more fun/more reliable/etc. than a 7 Series?
 
I would agree that the "mid-lux" segment represents the best overall compromise for most situations in the luxury market. While they are larger and heavier than the entry-lux cars they can still be very enjoyable to drive, while offering usable luggage space and decent rear legroom.
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Re: Lexus? Luxury? [gcluv09] by circlew
Apr 22, 2008 (3:07 am)
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Replying to: gcluv09 (Apr 21, 2008 2:42 pm)

I really only see the uneven brightness on Mercs. Weird!
 
I wonder if the drivers know they are uneven!
 
Regards,
OW
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Re: BMW & MB...Overrated????? [gcluv09] by circlew
Apr 22, 2008 (3:10 am)
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Replying to: gcluv09 (Apr 21, 2008 2:51 pm)

Oh, I don't know...I linked up my free Verizon parent's phone (no texting!) bluetooth capable cell phone to this 330xi for full philharmonic hands-free calling!
 
If that makes me a poseur wanna-be, so-be-it!
 
Regards,
OW
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Re: BMW & MB...Overrated????? [louiswei] by circlew
Apr 22, 2008 (3:11 am)
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Replying to: louiswei (Apr 21, 2008 3:06 pm)

Louis, try the 1-er and let me know what you think...I sat in it but I felt a little tight. I will test drive it soon as my 3-er lease expires this year.
 
Regards,
OW
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Re: BMW & MB...Overrated????? [lexusguy] by 2001gs430
Apr 22, 2008 (4:25 am)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Apr 21, 2008 11:55 pm)

The C-Class is not the cheapest way to get the 3-pointed star, at least in Canada. I believe the Smart for 2 or the B-Class hatchback is the real candidate.

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