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Re: The Real Lexus Numbers in Japan [bristol2] by dewey
Apr 20, 2008 (6:15 pm)
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Replying to: bristol2 (Apr 20, 2008 5:57 pm)

The next generation Lexus ES willl not be based on a Toyota platform. Obviously platform sharing is very profitble but it can go only so far in terms of duping customers.
 
Jaguar realized that. Audi realized that. Lexus realizes that. And now Acura will be introducing RWD platforms that are not shared with Hondas.
 
What makes BMW and MB the top global luxury brands? The fact that their marques are not dilluted by platform sharing with a humbler brand. BMW and MB are the real McCoy in terms of premium branding. Nobody comes close not even Audi in terms of sales (ofcourse as I mentioned sales is not a benchmark of excellence)
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And Now for Something Completely Different by laurasdada
Apr 20, 2008 (6:17 pm)
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Greetings from Washingmachine, DC: We drove from Boston to DC today in the TL (four of us, trunk filled to the gills. A few traffic jams, so averaged 54mph and 28mpg. Most of the time, TL sailed effortlessly at 80-85mph clips. FWD or not, the TL is just a fine piece of work...) .
 
In a not too surprising traffic jam (one of a few) on I95s in northern Jersey, I was able to creep along and next to a Maserati Quattroporte and then a previous gen Jag XK8. I'm fairly sure I could actually see the gas gauge sinking in the Maser as we idled/crept along... Seeing the prior gen XK got me thinking, no way could I take la familia con equipaje on a trip like this in an XK. Bummer. For the kids that is! Solo/with Evil Wife road trips only in the future!
 
Saw a lot of Honda Pilots (as well as too many TLs. Not limited production, huh?) on the road. Off to the National Air and Space Museum at Dulles tomorrow...
 
Have a lovely week, all. And please, no platform sharing!
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Re: The Real Lexus Numbers in Japan [dewey] by houdini1
Apr 20, 2008 (6:43 pm)
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Replying to: dewey (Apr 20, 2008 6:15 pm)

BMW and MB are the real McCoy in terms of premium branding
 
I thought things like this did not impress a purist like you. You should be bragging about all those taxi cabs and rental fleets made up of MB and BMW in....where ever.
 
Reminds me of all those has been or never was entertainers trying to make it here in the U.S. When they flop here people always say, "But they were big in Europe".
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Lexus? Luxury? by gcluv09
Apr 20, 2008 (7:21 pm)
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Though I know this is a stupid question.
Is Lexus considered a luxury car brand in the U.S market?
And what's the first thing that pops into your head when you hear "Lexus"?
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Re: Lexus? Luxury? [gcluv09] by bmlexus
Apr 20, 2008 (8:33 pm)
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Replying to: gcluv09 (Apr 20, 2008 7:21 pm)

Though I know this is a stupid question.
Is Lexus considered a luxury car brand in the U.S market?
And what's the first thing that pops into your head when you hear "Lexus"?

1 Yes it is considered a luxury brand.
 
2. The first things comes my head is when are other luxury brands going to be as reliable as a lexus, and i wonder when lexus is going to bring a competitor to compete with cars like cayenne x5 x6.
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Re: And Now for Something Completely Different [laurasdada] by lexusguy
Apr 20, 2008 (9:59 pm)
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Replying to: laurasdada (Apr 20, 2008 6:17 pm)

Seeing the prior gen XK got me thinking, no way could I take la familia con equipaje on a trip like this in an XK. Bummer. For the kids that is! Solo/with Evil Wife road trips only in the future!
 
The back seats have never been an XK strong suit. If your kids have legs, forget it.
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Re: Lexus? Luxury? [gcluv09] by lexusguy
Apr 20, 2008 (10:09 pm)
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Replying to: gcluv09 (Apr 20, 2008 7:21 pm)

Is Lexus considered a luxury car brand in the U.S market?
 
Depends on your definition of what a luxury car brand is. In terms of prestigiousness and cachet, I would peg the Lexus brand in this market just below leader BMW (leader of the mainstream luxury brands, that is), about equal with M-B and above the rest. 10 years ago the leader would've been M-B, but in their quest to have a Mercedes in every driveway with products like the C230 hatch, they have done terrible damage to the prestigiousness of the brand. A lot of Mercedes products as of late have also become much too flashy and vulgar looking to be considered prestigious in the more classical sense. It's always the S-class that has the blacked out windows and chromed out wheels, never the 7.
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Re: Lexus? Luxury? [bmlexus] by lexusguy
Apr 20, 2008 (10:17 pm)
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Replying to: bmlexus (Apr 20, 2008 8:33 pm)

The first things comes my head is when are other luxury brands going to be as reliable as a lexus, and i wonder when lexus is going to bring a competitor to compete with cars like cayenne x5 x6.
 
Infiniti (with the exception of the Nissan based QX) has matched or surpassed Lexus in reliability, so that's one. The rest are much closer than they used to be. I wouldn't hold your breath for a super sporty Lexus SUV. It's a niche market, and I don't think they have any interest in it. The FX50 though should be more than capable of holding its own against the Cayenne and X6.
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Re: And Now for Something Completely Different [lexusguy] by circlew
Apr 21, 2008 (2:42 am)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Apr 20, 2008 9:59 pm)

Solo/with Evil Wife road trips only in the future!
 
What's so bad about this in a XK-R? Remind me!
 
Regards,
OW

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