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Re: The Real Lexus Numbers in Japan [houdini1] by circlew
Apr 20, 2008 (7:49 am)
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Replying to: houdini1 (Apr 19, 2008 7:06 pm)

Thanks! C/D also. I wonder if they all do the tests at the same time?
 
Looks like a decent upgrade but the body style hasn't changed much.
 
My wife has three priorities
 
1. Reliability - Honda would be near/at the top
2. Appearance- Honda near the bottom
3. Ease of Use/Utility - Honda would do well here also.
 
The appearance winner would be Enclave, CX-9 and Acadia in that order. Now she needs to drive them to make her choice. She mentioned the Honda interior was a little boring from first view in the review photos.
 
Secretly, I prefer the CX-9 driving advantage over the others!
 
Thanks again.
 
Regards,
OW
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Re: The Real Lexus Numbers in Japan [lexusguy] by circlew
Apr 20, 2008 (7:50 am)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Apr 20, 2008 12:15 am)

Utilitarian means ugly sometimes!
 
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Re: The Real Lexus Numbers in Japan [circlew] by bmlexus
Apr 20, 2008 (11:05 am)
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Replying to: circlew (Apr 19, 2008 12:40 pm)

She doesn't like the X5..the third row might fit 5 year olds at the max.
 
Most women do like x5s
 
CX9 looks very long...
 
Well anyway choose what you prefer
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Re: Hi guys [lexusguy] by bmlexus
Apr 20, 2008 (11:08 am)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Apr 19, 2008 11:15 pm)

Thanks very useful site. Its has lots of info
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Re: The Real Lexus Numbers in Japan [atlas7] by bristol2
Apr 20, 2008 (5:57 pm)
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Replying to: atlas7 (Apr 20, 2008 6:26 am)

You are a minority. The market has spoken and Toyota/Lexus seems to be addressing peoples needs, wants, and desires. They have the "right formula".
 
Not sure what your statement has to do with re-badging.
 
Yes, Toyota sells alot of vehicles, yes Lexus is popular in the US. But rebadging is not necessarily the right formula unless the shared platform is the right platform. Do you seriously think that the ES/ Camry platform is particularly fantastic?
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Re: The Real Lexus Numbers in Japan [lexusguy] by dewey
Apr 20, 2008 (5:57 pm)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Apr 19, 2008 11:18 pm)

certainly wouldn't be surprised. It also wouldn't make me think less of the LS460 as a car.
 
It wouldn't make the Lexus LS460 less of a car but a far cheaper priced Toyota LS would make a Toyota far more of a car. Badges, more exclusivity in terms of dealership services, better wood trim and materials may matter to many folks but when I buy a car I buy the car and not the image. And to me the essence of any car is its platform and drivetrain. But for others a car is how pretty it looks , how neat its electronic gizmo are and last but not least how nice and cordial and polite and considerate and empathetic those customer service reps are . To each his own I guess.
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Re: The Real Lexus Numbers in Japan [bristol2] by dewey
Apr 20, 2008 (6:15 pm)
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Replying to: bristol2 (Apr 20, 2008 5:57 pm)

The next generation Lexus ES willl not be based on a Toyota platform. Obviously platform sharing is very profitble but it can go only so far in terms of duping customers.
 
Jaguar realized that. Audi realized that. Lexus realizes that. And now Acura will be introducing RWD platforms that are not shared with Hondas.
 
What makes BMW and MB the top global luxury brands? The fact that their marques are not dilluted by platform sharing with a humbler brand. BMW and MB are the real McCoy in terms of premium branding. Nobody comes close not even Audi in terms of sales (ofcourse as I mentioned sales is not a benchmark of excellence)
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And Now for Something Completely Different by laurasdada
Apr 20, 2008 (6:17 pm)
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Greetings from Washingmachine, DC: We drove from Boston to DC today in the TL (four of us, trunk filled to the gills. A few traffic jams, so averaged 54mph and 28mpg. Most of the time, TL sailed effortlessly at 80-85mph clips. FWD or not, the TL is just a fine piece of work...) .
 
In a not too surprising traffic jam (one of a few) on I95s in northern Jersey, I was able to creep along and next to a Maserati Quattroporte and then a previous gen Jag XK8. I'm fairly sure I could actually see the gas gauge sinking in the Maser as we idled/crept along... Seeing the prior gen XK got me thinking, no way could I take la familia con equipaje on a trip like this in an XK. Bummer. For the kids that is! Solo/with Evil Wife road trips only in the future!
 
Saw a lot of Honda Pilots (as well as too many TLs. Not limited production, huh?) on the road. Off to the National Air and Space Museum at Dulles tomorrow...
 
Have a lovely week, all. And please, no platform sharing!

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