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Re: Lexus News [cdnpinhead] by houdini1
Apr 12, 2008 (7:12 pm)
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Replying to: cdnpinhead (Apr 12, 2008 6:14 pm)

I am very interested in the new diesels. But not at any cost. If there is too big a premium for the diesel engine....no sale. If there is too big a disparity between the price of diesel and gasoline....no sale. If I don't like the "feel" and the way it drives...you guessed it....no sale.
 
We'll just have to wait and see.
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Re: Lexus News [houdini1] by cdnpinhead
Apr 12, 2008 (7:26 pm)
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Replying to: houdini1 (Apr 12, 2008 7:12 pm)

"I am very interested in the new diesels. But not at any cost."
 
Exactly. I fell in love with the new diesels over seven years ago in Europe. Those cars aren't available even yet over here, and when they are the advantage may be gone.
 
Thank you, California.
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Re: The Real Lexus Numbers in Japan [lexusguy] by houdini1
Apr 13, 2008 (8:22 am)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Apr 12, 2008 6:56 pm)

OK. That just tells me that we have different tastes in interiors as well as autos overall. What I can't understand is how anyone can say that one interior looks fresh and new and another one looks old and dated. Purely subjective.
 
Nearly every possible dash combination has been tried over and over. Car interiors are like neckties. Wide, narrow, paisley, back to wide again. Everything old is new again so old and dated or new and fresh are both meaningless to me.
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Re: The Real Lexus Numbers in Japan [louiswei] by esf
Apr 13, 2008 (12:27 pm)
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Replying to: louiswei (Apr 10, 2008 8:22 am)

Ah, I knew you'd say all this:
 
I wouldn't argue that 335i beats it in performance and handling but material quality? That I had a good laugh...
 
Honestly, look closer. All Lexuses have center stacks that are covered in thin silver plastic, made to look like aluminum. BMW uses high-quality, soft-touch black plastic, and all of the controls are precise. BMWs also use simple, elegant, effective gauges. Their wood trim is all real, while it was obvious to me where the fake wood was in our previous RX. Their aluminum is also real. Even the driving position is superior.
 
Take a look at the LC then you'll realized that thing can't compare with the LX in terms of material quality and luxurious features.
 
I disagree. Look beyond the wood trim. What useful luxury feature does the LX have that the LC does not? I wouldn't be able to justify buying one. The Toyota Land Cruiser is quite comfortable, thanks.
 
Yes you do, with a passion, just admit it...
 
I truly don't. They're just not my cup of tea.
 
BTW, I have to say it would be very hard for me to pick between an IS350 and G35, now that I have thought about it. They're both fantastic sedans. And if you didn't catch it in the Edmunds article, the new A4 (Avant) is absolutely gorgeous, too!
 
There is a white A5 coupe that just landed on my street, in fact. It drives by my house several times a day, and I always have to stare. What a beauty.
 
'08 BMW X5 4.8i • '06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet
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Re: The Real Lexus Numbers in Japan [louiswei] by esf
Apr 13, 2008 (12:31 pm)
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Replying to: louiswei (Apr 10, 2008 8:45 am)

The design issue is a personal one, but in materials quality you're simply incorrect. This is how they rank:
 
1. A4 - everything is perfection. From the simple ergonomics to the precise construction to the top-notch wood, it doesn't get any better, at this price.
2. 3 Series - all business, but in a good way. You won't find any cheap plastic here.
3. C-Class / IS (tie) - the C is built like a small tank, but the materials are a bit too somber. Conversely, the IS's materials are complex and artful, but the construction isn't as good.
5. TL - nice, but it's fallen a bit behind.
6. G - also nice. None of the cars in this class have cheap interiors any more, which is great, but the G can't quite keep up.
 
'08 BMW X5 4.8i • '06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet
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Re: 2009 A4 pictures [2001gs430] by esf
Apr 13, 2008 (12:32 pm)
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Replying to: 2001gs430 (Apr 10, 2008 10:42 am)

Wait until you really see it. It's like a work of art on the inside, when taken with simple colors (white interior with black trim, perhaps?). More elegant than I had ever thought from a picture.
 
'08 BMW X5 4.8i • '06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet
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Re: The Real Lexus Numbers in Japan [dewey] by esf
Apr 13, 2008 (12:37 pm)
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Replying to: dewey (Apr 11, 2008 8:11 am)

But in all honesty almost any car looks beautiful with pictures that have gone through such extensive workshop photo efforts.
 
The difference being that the XKR also looks absolutely incredible on the street.
 
I saw my fourth XF today. I've only seen one SV8; this was a gray non-supercharged model. Nevertheless, I couldn't stop staring. Really fantastic looking car. I was just picturing a BRG XF SV8 in my mind, because that's what I would get. It's on my list.
 
'08 BMW X5 4.8i • '06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet
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Re: The Real Lexus Numbers in Japan [laurasdada] by esf
Apr 13, 2008 (12:46 pm)
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Replying to: laurasdada (Apr 11, 2008 5:51 pm)





 
Most beautiful cars in the world?
 
Yes, the S5 really is that good. Have you seen it in person?
 
'08 BMW X5 4.8i • '06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet
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Acura by dewey
Apr 13, 2008 (1:15 pm)
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Honda/Acura had its 2009 dealer meeting in New Orleans last week, and a little birdie that claims to have attended has whispered some details about the 2009 Acura TL in our ears. According to our anonymous tipster, the '09 TL range will consist of two models. The front-wheel-drive car will be powered by a 3.5L V6 delivering 280 horsepower. The step-up version will feature SH AWD and have a 3.7L, 300-horsepower V6 underhood (presumably the same one used in the MDX). We're told the latter car is not a Type-S, by the way -- that trim level goes back into hibernation with the arrival of the '09. Word is, the car "looks amazing." The TL in its current state is Acura's best-looking vehicle, so our curiosity is definitely piqued.
 
http://www.autoblog.com/
 
Well it's about time that they did this. TOO LATE in my opinon. I l think Acura's competition is going to do what Eric Croc (founder of McDonalds) once said he does to his competition:
 
If your competitor is drowning why not just shove a hose in his mouth.
 
The competiton will only get better in a few years while Acura is trying to catch up with its upcoming potent AWD vehicle in the form of the TL.
 
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Re: New MB Diesel [jlbl] by dewey
Apr 13, 2008 (1:18 pm)
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Replying to: jlbl (Apr 11, 2008 8:44 am)

yet M-B has a well deserved reputation on passenger diesel engines over here.
 
Even today MB is the renowned leader for diesel technology despite the tempting offerings from VW/Audi and BMW.

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