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Re: Luxury Lounge [designman] by blckislandguy
Sep 25, 2006 (6:42 pm)
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Replying to: designman (Sep 22, 2006 9:05 am)

OK, here's the short course. There is nothing on BI now for under 1.5 mil that you could spend the night in without getting rained on. A buildable lot (albeit all lots are at least two acres and EVERY lot on BI has an ocean view) is 1 mil min. Unlike say Cape Cod, Myrtle Beach, the Berkshires, etc. I just don't see these prices coming down because there is very little land left to build on and BI is still very desireable to many because it is laid back without Nantucket pretensions or the gold chains of the Jersey Shore.
 
Where are the second home buys going to be in the NY Metro area? For openers, the New York State side of the Berkshires looks cheap. It is much less money than the Mass side, still quite rural, etc. A real sleeper area is the South County of RI. Only 2 hours plus from the GW Bridge, Westerly and surrounding beach areas are nice and still affordable. If I had the flex hours of a professor, consultant, etc. and absolutely wanted to be directly on the ocean I'd go to Maine where ocean front homes are still "only" 1 mil once you get up north of Pemaquid. To give you an idea how charming Maine is, the entrance sign to the Maine Turnpike as you leave NH reads: "Maine: the way life should be". Mo one thinks its corny. Everyone believes it. In fact, several BI people have cashed out and moved there.
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Re: Luxury Lounge [blckislandguy] by designman
Oct 01, 2006 (5:48 pm)
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Replying to: blckislandguy (Sep 25, 2006 6:42 pm)

Thanks for the primer and sorry for the late response as I thought this thread went dormant. Yes Maine is appealing but travel is just too much. We almost bought a place on the water in Sag Harbor many years ago but dawdled and dropped the ball. But that’s the past, I’ll see where this goes.
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Re: Luxury Lounge [blckislandguy] by bhill2
Oct 06, 2006 (11:42 am)
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Replying to: blckislandguy (Sep 18, 2006 5:42 pm)

I want to kick the discussion back to Contrarian's Corner (defined in post #3), because I would comment on the Contrarian's alternative to the Porsche 911 being the Jag XK8. I would nominate instead the Corvette as an alternative to the Porsche. I have never owned a Porsche 911 but have driven one. I own both an XK8 and a Corvette. Of the 2, I would put the Vette closer to the Porsche. As a practicing Contrarian, I would nominate the XK8 (or even better, the new XK [do I hear XKR?]) as the Contrarian alternative to the SL Mercedes.
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Re: Luxury Lounge [bhill2] by habitat1
Oct 09, 2006 (12:59 pm)
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Replying to: bhill2 (Oct 06, 2006 11:42 am)

I would agree. The XK8/R, SL550/55/65/600, 650i/M6, and AMV8 are not sports cars. Heck, Mercedes and Jaguar don't even let you row your own gears. They are all 3,500 lb to 2+ ton GT cars.
 
The 911 and Corvette are sports cars. Very different ones perhaps, but at least in the same category.
 
I don't think calling a spade a spade is Contrarian. Anyone who would cross shop an XK8/R with a 911 has likely forgotten their daily dose of Prozac.
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Re: Luxury Lounge [designman] by ljflx
Oct 26, 2006 (4:37 pm)
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Replying to: designman (Sep 16, 2006 3:04 pm)

"However, I always pay keen attention for instance when Lexusguy talks about audio equipment, or when Ljflx carries on about marketing or when Shipo talked about flying in the past. Shipo is quite the raconteur."
 
Thanks D-man. You know what Ralph say on our favorite show:
 
"Wait to you see what this furniture looks like on Park Ave." We've arrived on Park.
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Dealership Warning by utahsteve
Oct 30, 2006 (2:18 pm)
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Hello everyone, I just had a bad 2-week experience with the BMW Concord dealership. I live in southwest Utah and was earnestly trying to retrieve as much information on a pre-owned vehicle using the dealership's eBiz page and web site. I was denied the vehicle's VIN and original delivery date over the Internet. I was told I'd have to stop by the dealership for the information. After being strung along for 2 weeks, the vehicle sold. Oh well, wasn't meant to be. However, I seriously question the sales ethics of the BMW Concord dealership. By the way, I was also denied the name and contact information for the owner. So, I'm sharing my experience with other BMW enthusiasts. For what it's worth....
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Re: Dealership Warning [utahsteve] by blckislandguy
Nov 09, 2006 (4:32 am)
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Replying to: utahsteve (Oct 30, 2006 2:18 pm)

There is the significant possibility that the car didn't exist. But if the car did exist, I think that they were in their rights to try to get you into their dealership before they gave out certain info. After all, they are trying to sell cars, not be a research facility. Moreover, for a non-customer or even in most cases a customer to demand the dealership owner's personal contact info is way over the top. I'm not surprised you were rebuffed. What were you going to do, call this guy at home and harrangue him? Park in front of his house and grab him when he came home from work?
 
Having said this, I had a similar experience with the Nasua, NH BMW dealer. They had listed a car on the official BMWUSA site for CPO cars that they hadn't even taken in trade yet. In other words, it wasn't their's to sell. I made an appointment, drove 2 hours to see it, and then after a lot of fumbling around I learned that the car wasn't even on their lot or even their's.
 
As a rational guy, what did I do? Get mad? Sue them? Write a nasty letter of complaint to their co-conspirator, BMW NA? No. I drove one exit South on Rt 3 and a bought a new Cayenne which I love from a great dealer.
 
BMW dealers have a lot of sales momentum now and they know it. (In any BMW dealership on a Saturday afternoon the yuppies in their mid 30's flood in with their eyes watering and their mouths drooling.) As a result, IMHO their CSI is going down. Oh, well. This too will change.
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Re: Dealership Warning [blckislandguy] by designman
Nov 09, 2006 (6:07 am)
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Replying to: blckislandguy (Nov 09, 2006 4:32 am)

I’ve heard conflicting stories about BMW dealerships, same with Porsche. My experience has been nothing but positive with the business end of BMW. Also, several of the dealers in my area have expanded with very impressive service departments.
 
I made an appointment, drove 2 hours to see it, and then after a lot of fumbling around I learned that the car wasn't even on their lot or even their's.
 
Yeah I’d be pretty annoyed.
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Re: Dealership Warning [designman] by blckislandguy
Nov 09, 2006 (8:08 pm)
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Replying to: designman (Nov 09, 2006 6:07 am)

Designman, sure one can hear stories about any brand. There are probably a few rotten Starbucks outlets, too. The difference is that Porsche is family owned and really does a good job of communicating with their customers and enforcing high dealer standards. After every single service (and there have been very few), I've been surveyed not by the dealer or local company working for the dealer but by Porsche.
 
I don't think that Bimmer shares Porsche's passion in this. Rather Bimmer knows it is the hot brand right now. It has lots of people who want to buy their cars. At the same time it has lots of problems with their cars , e.g., using plastic water pump impellers has got to be something even a Korean manufacturer wouldn't try to pull, which it hasn't fully addressed.
 
Just think about my experience: the Nashua BMW store had no compunction whatsoever about putting a car they didn't own, nor even have on their lot on the official BMW NA web site as a CPO and then made an appointment with me to see it! When I brought this to the attention of one of the dealer principal's sons, all I got was a shuck and jive about how cars come and go. He wasn't at all concerned that about anyone contacting Bimmer to complain about the fraudulent use of their web site.
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Re: Dealership Warning [blckislandguy] by designman
Nov 10, 2006 (5:49 am)
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Replying to: blckislandguy (Nov 09, 2006 8:08 pm)

I'm glad you're happy with your dealer. I had a few incidents with my Porsche dealer that I didn't care for even though they responded favorably when I pressed them. It's not so much the management which is very accommodating, rather, the service results themselves.
 
For instance, they overfilled my oil by over a quart and a half. They had no problem draining it to dead-nuts center per my request, but an overfill that pushes the electronic oil gauge over the max makes me wonder especially in light of RMS issue with water-cooled Porsches. On top of that a techie in the shop tried to tell me this is normal. In case you are wondering how I know it was OVER the max, my car also has a dipstick and my eyes lit up when I checked it against the electronic.
 
I’ve also had several other issues with them that were a result of carelessness. It’s nice to have the management apologize and do things like put me in an upgraded loaner etc. but this still does not inspire my confidence in the people who wield the wrenches.
 
BTW, that apparently cavalier and unprofessional BMW dealer you had an experience with would never get my business either. Yes, the brand is one thing, the owner is quite another.

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