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Toyota Matrix, Tires, Wheels, Wagon
#64 of 265 Re: 2005 Matrix XR FWD with bad tires :( in Southern California [moos]
Mar 27, 2007 (6:49 am)
Hey Gasman....I had a feeling it was Something related to the way the car is being built/designed. It's just ridiculus for So Many tires to be tearing off all these Matrix. I love the look/style of it but, that sure doesn't keep tires on. I am about ready to sell it...not even 18K on it yet, on 2nd set of tires and due for another rotate/oil service in days. No other problems with mine...yet. Yeah, Toyota's R&D Team sure dropped the ball on this car. Inforce lemon law would be my alternative to having to keep buying tires for the life of the car. Sad.
#65 of 265 Boo Hoo, she's really sick now!
Mar 27, 2007 (10:11 am)
Well, the attorney gen of NY says I don't qualify for lemon law (mileage) but they told me I have other avenues. If you problem started within the 12 month/20k miles on alignment you may be able to sue in court over this. Look up the Magnuson-Moss Act. under breach of warranty we may have a leg. The women at the AG office said I have other avenues but she couldn't tell me what they were so I did 2 days research (thank you google) and found a leg to stand on. Arbitration is tomorrow and if we can get them to give us a credit against another toyota this is the route we will take...a long time to get into court and then about 3 sets of tires...LOLOLOL. Anyway the snow tires on my car are cupping too 1k miles on them, and when we put it on the lift to check them we found the transfer case is leaking and the clutch know is making noises from the oil from the transfer case dripping in it...I swear you can't make this stuff up! I guess this car is just not ment to be and that is why it is being replaced with the Blade in '08. Good luck to all us Trixies!
#66 of 265 Boo Hoo, she's really sick now!
Mar 27, 2007 (10:15 am)
Well, the AG of NY says I don't qualify for lemon law (mileage) but they told me I have other avenues. If your problem started within the 12 month/20k miles on alignment you may be able to sue in court over this. Look up the Magnuson-Moss Act. under breach of warranty we may have a leg. The women at the AG office said I have other avenues but she couldn't tell me what they were so I did 2 days research (thank you google) and found a leg to stand on. Arbitration is tomorrow and if we can get them to give us a credit against another toyota this is the route we will take...(too long of a time to get into court and then about 3 sets of tires...LOLOLOL.) Anyway the snow tires on my car are cupping too, 1k miles on them, and when we put it on the lift to check them we found the transfer case is leaking and the clutch now is making noises from the oil from the transfer case dripping in it...I swear you can't make this stuff up! I guess this car is just not meant to be and that is why it is being replaced with the Blade in '08. Good luck to all us Trixies!
#67 of 265 Re: Tire Cupping
Mar 28, 2007 (5:34 am)
Hey Moos - please let us know what happens at court.
I need to replace my tires and need ADVICE on where to buy them. Should I get them at the dealership (at extra cost), so that there is a record of it (and of regular rotations), in case I'm going to have to go to court on this later? Or, should I buy a very good pair + warranty at a tire store. Would the warranty cover a new pair, if they continue to cup?
The whole issue makes me mad, since I thought I could trust Toyota. It's back to a Honda for me next time!
#68 of 265 2004 matrix no tire problems
Mar 29, 2007 (6:24 pm)
I have a 2004 Matrix basic model. I bought it in West Virginia
in 2003. It had the Goodyear RSA tires as original equipment.
I had them replaced at 54,000 miles with some tread still on.
I replaced them with Yokohama triple tread tires and they have
about 10,000 miles on them with no problems.
I always ran all my tires 2psi less than the tire maximum stated on their sidewalls and always get good life.
My Matrix is front drive 5 speed manual base model. I rotated front to back at about 25,000 miles to put the good back tires on front.
I have had none of the problems others had and my independant tire shop alignments shown good.
#69 of 265 Re: 2004 matrix no tire problems [mtx52]
Mar 30, 2007 (6:10 am)
Thanks mtx52 for your comment! It's a relief to here that someone has not had such a bad experience. Also, good advice about the air presure. I love my Matrix and am going to give it another try with some better tires (but ones with a long tread wear, just in case)!
#70 of 265 PROBLEM SOLVED, APPARENTLY
Mar 30, 2007 (8:45 pm)
It appears that I have solved our problem with extreme tire wear on our 2006 Matrix!! Our car had similar tire wear problems to those widely reported on this and other websites. A new set of Continentals were destroyed by misalignment in less than 15,000 miles. The tires were rotated four times, realigned and checked by a Toyota Dealership, but Toyota was unable or unwilling to correct the problem.
Our 2006 Matrix was purchased new in December of 2005, the first new vehicle we have been able to afford in 25 years because of kids and jobs and other financial situations. We test drove other comparable models, but settled on the Toyota because of reputation, reliability, fit and finish and fuel economy.
The abnormal tire wear was apparent the first time the tires were rotated at 5,000 miles. I then kept closer track and rotated the tires more often. I was unable to compensate for the uneven wear with just rotation.
Dealer service is a pretty big problem for us because the nearest acceptable Toyota dealer is 180 round trip miles away. This usually means a whole day off work.
We did take the Matrix to the Toyota dealership in Ridgecrest, CA for a check and alignment in November 2006 with 11,000 total miles. The result was the tires wore faster than before. Following the service, the vibration in the steering became pretty severe, the car pulled left up the crown of the road, the HOWL from the tires became much louder than the wind noise, and travel at speeds greater than 65 MPH became pretty scary. This, in a "new" car!
Then at 15,000 miles, the front tires are on wear bars and the back tires are severely cupped on the inside edges, as other drivers have reported. Time to buy new tires. But why ruin a new set with the same alignment problem? Time to solve/resolve the tire wear problem. Do I take another day off work, travel 180 miles and still not get the Toyota warranty problem resolved? No.
I purchased a new set of Yokohama Avid V4S and had them mounted and balanced.
I decided to take the Matrix to the local garage where I have had a long standing relationship with the owner, a place where I have worked on my own cars. I was employed as a mechanic for a number of years in my past life. I still do the greater part of the work on our current our fleet of 6. John put the Matrix on the Bear Alignment rack and the misalignment is glaring.
The camber showed -1º on the left and -3/4 º on the right. The toe was found at 3/8" out on the right and 1/4" out on the left. The camber specs are something like -1/4 º and toe IN at 1/8". No wonder the tires were wearing on the inside edges. The alignment is way off. But, Toyota does not build the front end with adjustable camber, only adjustable toe. The cars are built on a computer controlled jig and the "factory" camber setting is supposed to be close enough to prevent tire wear. Camber adjustment is not possible as the car is assembled. Refer to Wikipedia for an explanation for camber and toe adjustments.
To accomplish camber adjustment, a Moog "Magna-Cam" camber kit is required to tip the tires inward at the bottom. These consist of a couple of eccentric bolts with corresponding sleeves to replace the top anchor bolt of the McPherson strut / spindle assembly. The parts are available online for about $12.50 each, two required for the front.
The camber and toe are now set to factory spec.
A funny thing happed. The car tracks straight down the road and there is no longer "plowing" in the curves and pushing in straight line driving. There is a different feel driving down the highway - a little lighter throttle is required to maintain the same speed as previously, and the tire noise blends with the wind noise. I think this is how the car is supposed to drive.
Time will tell if the tire wear problem is truly solved and if there is a fuel consumption benefit to the correct alignment on the front end. But, right now the car feels pretty good.
My greatest disappointment is with Toyota, which refuses to acknowledge the "problem" and correct it. I contacted them on three different occasions and was told it is a tire defect, check with Continental. A $16,000 car with a pretty much worthless warranty. I do plan to file a claim with Toyota but do not expect any satisfaction. I bet Toyota engineers can figure out the tire wear solution if others can.
I believe Toyota is reluctant to recall a bunch of cars because of the great expense of doing so. How many other owners have been disappointed with their Matrix, when $25.00 worth of parts and an hour or two on the alignment rack will solve the tire wear problem? Too bad the factory did not install the adjustable camber bolts and dial in the front end before selling the cars.
I wish you all good luck in your quest to solve tire wear problems. It now appears that I have solved mine.
#71 of 265 Re: PROBLEM SOLVED, APPARENTLY [rocky101]
Apr 01, 2007 (8:11 am)
Thank you for sharing that with us! It is very helpful information!
#72 of 265 Matrix sick.....Put out to pasture!
Apr 02, 2007 (10:47 am)
All I can say is ....HOLY SH** WE WON!!!!!
I still can't believe it ...the arbitrator say the same thing we have been saying all along....tooo many repair attempts and 3 alignment shops saying it is out of alignment.
I'm glad some of you have found a fix for this but we tried everything and still pulls to the right and out of alignment.
I thought for sure we were goners since the arbitrator pulled up in a Toyota but I guess they are fair and impartial. (Kind of hard to not see it...you could look at it and see how the tires were sitting)
I hope that Toyota starts listening and realizing that this is their Vega...remember that stinker!
I will probably buy a RAV 4 after reading all the posts about them...don't like the CRV and out of all the cars on the road only really liked the Matrix.
For anyone who has documented evidence that they brought this to the dealer BEFORE the 1yr/20k mile warranty on alignments and the can show it was not fixed I would suggest that you take a shot with the process Toyota has laid out and maybe if enough people go into Dispute Settlement Toyoat will finally realize this and fix these once and for all. It should not be up to the owner of a new car to have to fix it, when it is supposed to come out of the factory in perfect working order.
Good luck to all,
#73 of 265 Re: Matrix sick.....Put out to pasture! [moos]
Apr 02, 2007 (3:48 pm)
So are they buying your car back? What happens now?