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#151 of 220 Re: Toyota Matrix Tire Wear [remaxmarty1] by tamedsker May 24, 2008 (4:05 am)
Replying to: remaxmarty1 (Sep 14, 2006 4:29 am) We have a 2006 Matrix XR (2wd) that came with Continental tires. We didnt notice any tire noise, but we are both a little hard of hearing. We did the 5K and 10K tire rotaion ourselves, so in a sense there was no written record of this. At 15K, we had the dealer look at the car because we were noticing vibration. That was when they told us our ties were shot, and needed replaced. When I questioned them about the tire warranty, they refused to cover it because there was no "Written" record of tire rotations. I didnt like the price of the quote they gave for replacement tires and went to a very reputable local source to buy the replacements. On a hunch, they checked the alignment of the rear end toe in, they show that it was off quite a bit, and that shims were needed to correct this. I brought this to the attention of the dealer we purchased it from, and they checked out the car. They said that no shims were needed, and that the tire dealer didn't really know what they were talking about. Well, giving Toyota the benefit of the doubt, I decided not to pursue it any further at this point. I had the new tires rotated at the manufacturers (different from Continental) reccomendations. Now, at 14K miles on the new set, they too, are now showing signs of excessive wear. I was told by my tire guy the tires are starting to cup like the original set. He also asked me why I never had Toyota install the shims he told me about. I told him that Toyota siad the car was fine, and he showed me a catalog of supply parts that had a specific kit of shims for the ear end of the Toyota Matrix (all years!) to correct rear end toe in alignment problems. If there is no problem, according to Toyota, why would there be a specific kit of parts to correct this problem??? I hope this data helps you, as our Matrix has less than 30K miles, and we are getting ready to invest in our third set of tires. Replies to this message: rocky101 (May 24, 2008 12:28 pm) calinmd (May 24, 2008 12:51 pm) tamedsker (May 31, 2008 8:10 pm)
#152 of 220 Matrix Tire Wear, continued... by calinmd May 24, 2008 (5:56 am)
Wow...thanks so much for the reply! Great info. It seems that people have all sorts of issues with this sort of thing--front, rear; camber, toe-in....   Are you thinking about getting the shims installed?   I'm probably going to go ahead and get my shop to install the camber adjustment bolts. They seems to think it made sense; it's a starting point, at least. I think I've been lucky enough to catch the wear early enough, so that I can still use this set. Hope so.   I should note, for accuracy's sake, that in my post above I mentioned having wear along the inside of the tires...it's actually the outside edge. So that's too much positive camber. My friend's Matrix is showing wear on the inside edge--again: seems to be all over the place.   Nice gallery of tire wear here, as a reference Replies to this message: tamedsker (May 24, 2008 8:20 am)
#153 of 220 Re: Matrix Tire Wear, continued... [calinmd] by tamedsker May 24, 2008 (8:20 am)
Replying to: calinmd (May 24, 2008 5:56 am) Yeah, I forgot mention our wear issue was the3 inside edge (cupping). I had a little talk with the dealer today, they started to blow me off, till I produiced all 151 entries in printed form, and my receipts, and threatened them with a lawyer....We have an appointment this Thursday for them to look more deeply into the problem. I told them I was going to be all over them until it is resolved to MY satiosfaction...lets just say for now, they are cooperating..I will post again when I have more information.
#154 of 220 Toyota Matrix Tire Wear, 2006 Base model by rocky101 May 24, 2008 (12:28 pm)
Replying to: tamedsker (May 24, 2008 4:05 am) Hi,   We own a 2006 base Matrix and have experienced the abnormal tire wear you describe exactly. Tires gone at 14k, lots of vibration, cupped tires, etc. Toyota was NO help in three visits. It appears that the problem originates from poor assembly at the Canadian plant. The jig welded strut mounts were miss aligned and therefore cause the miss alignment. The solution we used was adjustable camber bolts to compensate for the missalignment. They are not in the Toyota parts book, so Toyota will not install them. We were forced to use an independent shop for the alignment and install because Toyota REFUSED to acknowledge the poor construction. We wanted to keep the car instead of selling it because of alignment problems. We have 25k on the new tires, even wear on all 4. If you can get satisfaction from the dealer, good luck!! We solved the problem directly and received no compensation from Toyota. 80k tires gone in 14k?? No problem for Toyota. We have also had major oil leaks in the motor and trans repaired 3 times under warranty. So much for legendary reliability.   Good Luck, you will need it to deal with Toyota Warranty work!! Replies to this message: calinmd (May 24, 2008 12:51 pm)
#155 of 220 Me, too...I think, Camber Bolts, 06 base by rocky101 May 24, 2008 (12:42 pm)
Replying to: calinmd (May 21, 2008 5:24 pm) Hi,   The Camber bolts solved the tire wear problem for us. I installed Moog Magna Cam, if I remember, Carquest PN K929. Unbolt the bottom camber bolt, install the adjustable bolt, go to the alignment shop, align the suspension.   We have 25k on the new Yokahama Avids, no abnormal wear.   Good luck, pack Replies to this message: calinmd (May 24, 2008 12:53 pm) jfsledge (Jan 22, 2009 11:38 am) nippononly (Jan 22, 2009 8:06 pm) though (Jan 22, 2009 11:08 pm)
#156 of 220 Re: Toyota Matrix Tire Wear, 2006 Base model [rocky101] by calinmd May 24, 2008 (12:51 pm)
Replying to: rocky101 (May 24, 2008 12:28 pm) Rocky, so glad you came back to this discussion. It was your original post that tipped me off to the issue in the first place.   Do you remember which Moog model camber bolts you purchased? I just ordered the Moog # K929; they also have another model that looks a little different, but it still is supposed to fit the Matrix.   Here are the two Moog models I've found: # K929 and # K90477.   I'm guessing that either one would work; I just went with the K929 since it promised a little more adjustment room (and also because you mentioned "MagnaCam" in a previous post, and that is used in the description of the K929 I've seen at online vendors)   I had no illusions that I'd go to Toyota about this...I gathered from all the posts that they weren't going to own up to it, so I knew I was on my own. That's why it's nice to have forums like this; I feel I have a shot at getting it fixed, thanks to posts like yours.   Take care, and thanks!
#157 of 220 Re: Me, too...I think, Camber Bolts, 06 base [rocky101] by calinmd May 24, 2008 (12:53 pm)
Replying to: rocky101 (May 24, 2008 12:42 pm) Excellent! Thanks, that's it exactly....our posts crossed!
#158 of 220 Re: Toyota Matrix Tire Wear [sunshine57] by elementaldesig May 27, 2008 (7:33 am)
Replying to: sunshine57 (May 03, 2008 1:02 pm) I have a 2006 Matrix with 26500 on it with shot tires. I usually get an extra 10-20K on my tires. I have had problems with gas mileage, noise and transmission fliud. Turns out that the computer program is bad and they flipped out the computer but I had to pay for the early oil flush and the transmission flush (550)and now the tires (another 500).   The Corrollas and Matrix are known to have bad computers but I had to go to a different dealer to get it replace the original one wouldn't. They had the computer on hand and told me they are changing alot of them. If a dealer is stocking a 2000 part it is a major issue but Toyota is not doing a recall. If your transmission is not functioning properly tire wear increases.
#159 of 220 Re: Toyota Matrix Tire Wear [tamedsker] by tamedsker May 31, 2008 (8:10 pm)
Replying to: tamedsker (May 24, 2008 4:05 am) Well, Toyota had our Matrix for 2 days. They DID install a shim and adjustment kit for the rear end. They DID bring the car into factory spec alignment. They DID NOT replace the tires. They DID NOT charge or attempt to charge us for the repairs or the loner vehicle. The car now runs straight, smooth, and using a lot less fuel! We took a trip today that we make frequently, that until now used a 1/4 tank of gas with out using the A/C. Today it took 1/8 tank, and we had the A/C on for 1/2 of it. The car now handles like the 2007 Corolla that they gave us as a loaner! The secret? Contact an attorney who works with breach of warranty claims. We did. We haven't checked, but we think he contacted the dealer, because their attitudes turned 180 degrees, and they were tripping over themselves to get the repairs correct. For all of you who are frustrated by this problem, DO NOT GIVE UP! Be prepared to take it to the next level, as this seems to help. If you do not get satisfaction, TAKE IT TO THE NEXT LEVEL! Good luck to all!
#160 of 220 Congrats! by calinmd Jun 01, 2008 (3:50 am)
Great news, tamedsker. Congrats!   It seems for some the front is the problem, and for you, the rear! Wish the problem was more consistent! Be easier to fix then.   Enjoy your new car!

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