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#77 of 131 Re: Escape Hybrid on fire! [teester] by autodr Dec 19, 2007 (5:36 pm)
Replying to: teester (Dec 17, 2007 7:15 am) Well, the ABS module "prefers" to apply the rear brakes first on this vehicle because the front wheels are using regenerative braking. So I can see lots of stop and go heating up the rear and never even engaging the front. In fact, on an Escape Hybrid, it is normal to wear 2 sets of rear pads to one set of front. Then, factor in the issue of this thing having a check engine light on and wrench light on for an as-yet unknown reason, this vehicle might just smoke the rear again.
#78 of 131 Re: Update on FEH Taxi that caught fire [imacabbie] by autodr Dec 19, 2007 (5:44 pm)
Replying to: imacabbie (Dec 12, 2007 1:54 pm) Like I said before. The brake system on this vehicle is not like the brake system on a conventional vehicle. The amount of regenerative braking (to recharge the HV battery) and the amount of friction braking is determined first by the PCM and then the friction braking is carried out by the ABS module based on command from the PCM. The "check engine light" (you are calling an emissions light), and the wrench light are both warning indicators of the PCM to say "Hey dude, I'm having a problem properly running this engine... get me checked out". In your case, that CAN effect the brakes since it is the PCM that determines how much friction braking occurs versus regen braking. It also determines how much rear fiction occurs versus front friction. It just depends on why the lights are on as to whether or not it will effect the brakes.   You really seriously need to take this vehicle to a qualified shop to check it out. If your company's garage can't... which I'm getting the feeling they can't otherwise they'd have done it by now... you need to take it somewhere. It doesn't HAVE to be the dealer, but it needs to be someone who has had Hybrid Escape training and that by default might mean the dealer.
#80 of 131 Re: Braking problem need help and comments [bubkis] by atreehugger Dec 27, 2007 (6:23 am)
Replying to: bubkis (Nov 29, 2007 1:51 pm) Hi - just wanted to tell you you did the right thing. Ford refuses to acknowledge a problem with the braking system. Their dealers have no awareness of the problem. I had no warning when I lost my brakes except the annoying "grabbing" every time it rained or was dewy in the morning. They replaced the master cylinder and then when I took them to the Better Business Bureau Ford called it my "alleged brake problem". Every time I talked to someone at Ford they called it my "brake issue" as if it were a faulty window or a broken tail light. I lost at the Better Business Bureau because I did not lose my brakes 4 times! Ford offered me an extended warranty (with a $100 deductible!!!). Big Deal - I'm a high mileage driver and would be out of that in 3 years anyway. I told them the warranty would be cold comfort to my husband when I was in my casket or to some mother whose child I had run over. I loved the SUV, I loved the 4WD, I loved the mileage (27-30), I especially loved driving a hybrid. I traded it in on a non-hybrid SUV. If I every buy another Ford I hope someone takes a 2x4 to my head. What bothers me is someone else is out there driving it!   There is a design flaw. Check out NHTSA/ODI. All FEH model years have had complete brake failures - 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008. Replies to this message: css1008 (Feb 26, 2009 8:16 am)
#81 of 131 Hybrid brake problems by rintveld Jan 01, 2008 (6:15 pm)
Seem to have some extreme wear on rear brake pads on 2005 escape hybrid. Is this common? Dealer didn't know about it. Questioned if moisture is a factor. Replies to this message: mecheng1 (Jan 02, 2008 7:27 am) rintveld (Jan 02, 2008 10:38 am)
#82 of 131 Re: Hybrid brake problems [rintveld] by mecheng1 Jan 02, 2008 (7:27 am)
Replying to: rintveld (Jan 01, 2008 6:15 pm) What is your mileage? Ford predicts the rear pads will wear out twice as fast as the front pads. What you are seeing may be from normal hybrid-style driving. Replies to this message: rintveld (Jan 02, 2008 10:38 am)
#83 of 131 Re: Hybrid brake problems [mecheng1] by rintveld Jan 02, 2008 (10:38 am)
Replying to: mecheng1 (Jan 02, 2008 7:27 am) 65,000 mostly highway.
#84 of 131 Hybrid brake wear by mschmal Jan 02, 2008 (3:33 pm)
If you have brake wear, you are not driving in the most efficient manner possible.   You need to maximize your regenerative braking. Start braking sooner so that you don't have to press the brake as hard.   When ever you are costing, you should lightly press the brake pedal, this will start the regenerative braking process.   Mark
#85 of 131 FEH 06 RECALL BAT HAR AND ? ABS by feh06 Jan 20, 2008 (10:59 am)
I purchased 2006 model FEH 06 found out it was a 2005 build out. i have had many issues with this car and if anyone can shed some light it would be great.   Last week - I had the whole system light up all the electronics and gizmos - then on the disply - SAFE TO STOP. The car has over 55k on it. FORD wanted 90 per hour and 90 to put on the computer to determine problem. I was not happy and then they said there was a recall on the BAT Harness. which may have caused all the electronic failures. And then the ABS light comes on - they advised that this was not part of the problem and computer indicates that it is some where in the rear axle and could not determine if it is the rear or R or L.   I find this strange and now my regen is not working and they 400-900 to repair the ABS.   Can anyone give me options is this a part you chang out yourself and has there been a trend with the brake issues with the FEH 06 models made in 2005   Thanks   NOT HAPPY WITH THIS VEH - have not had good MPH Replies to this message: mecheng1 (Jan 22, 2008 11:57 am)
#86 of 131 Re: FEH 06 RECALL BAT HAR AND ? ABS [feh06] by mecheng1 Jan 22, 2008 (11:57 am)
Replying to: feh06 (Jan 20, 2008 10:59 am) The first FEHs were built and sold through the summer fall and winter of 2004 as 2005MY. Every year since then, Ford has started to build the next year in the Fall of the previous year. I don't think your vehicle is so unique in that manner. For instance, the 2008 FEHs have been being delivered to folks for over 6 months now, starting early in calendar year 2007. I would estimate that close to half of all MY-s were built in the previous CY.   Hard to advise you on what to do with the limited diagnosis you have been given, to be sure, the components in the axle related to the brakes are not hybrid unique...the Smart Junction Box that controls braking functions has been known to fail. The ABS (computer) does have a rather complex software that controls braking functions and that needs to be updated or maybe "re-flashed" to insure it is the correct configuration for your VIN#. Also, I've seen some reports of master brake cylinder change-outs that were required to solve some FEH brake problems.   Three components: HVBattery, eCVT(transmission), and DC to DC converter are warranteed for 8 years or 100,000 miles minimum. Regeneration occurs entirely within the eCVT....as controlled by the ABS computers.   Good Luck

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