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Ford Escape Hybrid, Brakes, SUV
#18 of 179 Re: 2006 Escape Hybrid - Smart Junction Box Failure (door lock)? [raewyn]
Nov 23, 2006 (5:08 am)
Yes. I don't have the name of the part but they described it as the computer that controls the brakes. It was on backorder and they finally got it in, bled the brake lines, the service manager drove it for a day, everything fine. It's Lou Sobh Ford in Decatur, Ga, and the service manager is Billy. Have you approached your dealer about replacing the vehicle? I'm starting to think we will. I can't put kids in that car any more, too shaken, and get this... we got the car back yesterday after 1.5 weeks waiting on this part--- and I'm on my way to work at 6am and the brake light comes on again and the service brake light. This time, however, the brakes did not fail. But it's clear we still have a problem. I'll have to get it in there again after Thanksgiving. This is horrifying. Please feel free to email me directly if you want more info on the dealership.rr3puslinchaol.com
#19 of 179 Re: Ford Escape Hybrid: Brake Problems [pf_flyer]
Dec 08, 2006 (3:51 pm)
i've had my escape for 18 months. i have the squeaking problem, but also, the other day the "service brakes" message popped up and the brake warning light came on. i took it in, and they claim there's no information in the car's computer regarding this message, so it probably didn't happen. i had the car serviced, and drove it home. the next day, the message came on again along with the warning light. when they serviced my car, they said the brakes are fine. anyone else have this issue?
#20 of 179 Re: 2006 Escape Hybrid - Smart Junction Box Failure (door lock)? [mcedwardsc]
Dec 14, 2006 (12:00 pm)
I had the exact same problem after they replaced my braking system... It turns out you have to bleed the brakes 100% (99.5% will not work) or the light keeps coming on. Have them call the tech at Sentry West Lincoln in Shrewsbury, MA. They can tell them all about it. Good luck.
Jan 07, 2007 (8:36 am)
Thanks for your response. Did this ultimately fix the problem? My dealer won't call Sentry, saying they're not allowed, they have to go through Ford engineering, who apparantly don't know how to fix this?
MY LAST FORD.
#23 of 179 Braking problem need help and comments
Feb 23, 2007 (7:14 pm)
I have been reading alot about the Ford Escape Hybrid and have had some issues with the brakes of my vehicle...
I work for a local organization and we have quite a few of the SUVs in our Fleet... Recently due to a number of complaints they pulled the WHOLE Fleet of the Ford Escape Hybrids off the road due to Brake Failures... mine being one of them. It turns out that in a fleet of hybrids over 30, at least 7 of the vehicles had some sort of failure... a couple of which were 2nd or 3rd time issues. and a few resulted in accidents...
Ford has reviewed all of the vehicles in the fleet and will be issuing a letter saying its safe to drive. They say that they have found "No Codes" showing any kind of failure in the braking system... but Im not an idiot! I know that when my foot goes to the floor to stop, the truck should stop... which it didn't! I have had to make many panic stops in the truck previously and never had a problem before... until recently... the brakes did return a few hundread meters down the road at a stop light... but no lights showed on the dash and no abs kicked in... Thank god the person in front of me moved before I hit them.
My vehicle is my office for atleast 8Hrs a day and I put on it, anywhere from 100 to 250 Km a day at work and the majority is City Driving.
Please tell me that I am not an idiot... or that this is not an isolated incident or if you know what the problem is... or if you have had this happen to you.
Thanks in advance for your help and comments...
#24 of 179 Re: Braking problem need help and comments [rearend]
Feb 26, 2007 (8:19 am)
My local County Park Service owns a 2006 FEH as part of their vehicle fleet. They are frustrated because they have had to send it back to the dealer a few times for braking issues. I get the feeling that the dealership and Ford are not sensitive to "bad press" that this can cause - because they never seem to fix the problem.
Braking "by-wire" is a relatively new concept for mass produced cars. My guess in that the Technicians are not as adept at finding these electical and computer software issues (especially when diagnostic codes are not forthcoming). [The design of the mechanical portions of the brake system seem to be fine.] From reports of previous FEH brake problems, I suspect the component known as the "Smart Junction Box". Not a trivial part that Ford would replace unless it was proven to be "bad".
To address your question: You are not an idiot for wanting confidence in your braking system. Unfortunately, having someone commute in the vehicle (who understands the "brake-by-wire" system) my be what it takes to get to the root cause of the problem. Have the dealer monitor TSBs that are issued by Ford for ones related to FEH brakes. Be safe.
#25 of 179 Re: Braking problem need help and comments [mecheng1]
Mar 03, 2007 (8:52 pm)
The issue I have is the "Service Brake System" message displays, and the ! Brake Light comes on. I've had it into Ford 3 times, and they tell me there's no codes in the system, the brakes are fine, they have no idea what the problem is. I took a picture of the dashboard to prove it to them that this was happening. They said they contacted Ford Engineering about this, but that was 4 months ago and I haven't heard anything back.
I have not had break failure (yet) but am worried that this is the next thing that will happen. Did you have this problem prior to brake failure?
A previous post said that his dealer in MA fixed this problem by bleeding the brakes (100%). The dealer I brought it to bled the brakes but not 100% (they said they couldn't do that) and wouldn't call the other Ford dealer to discuss how they fixed it.
My next step is Ford customer service, file a complaint and take it from there. I don't suspect any help there however. Don't know what else to do.
#26 of 179 Re: Braking problem need help and comments [dsteak]
Mar 05, 2007 (6:39 am)
Yes - I would start contacting as many Ford customer services contacts as you can find. ("District", "Region", "Corporate" - however they are organized)
There may be some room for confusion on the discussion of bleeding the brakes. Are we clear on what the dealer in MA did? Did they: remove and replace 100% of the brake fluid? or, did they bleed the brakes to remove 100% of any air trapped in the brake lines and components? or, both?
#27 of 179 Re: Braking problem need help and comments [dsteak]
Mar 05, 2007 (2:58 pm)
The problem I had with my Mercury's brakes was a two step repair. I took it in a few times, and the the light would turn off. With the light off, there are not codes to read. I finally had an opportunity to take it in while the light was on, a an error message was found. The first problem was jumper harness (see parts list below) that had to be replaced along with the master cylinder. Here are the notes from my service invoice:
Could not verify concern, self test ABS module Codes C1524, C1323. Perform Pinpoint test told to replace ABS module. Sock and Check Oasis and call the hot line, told about the Jumper Harness to install. And to try that first. Day two install the jumper harness. Clear all codes and Road test Ok at this time Hot line ID 6ECEN007.
The parts used to repair the vehicle are listed below:
2219D11 Solenoid Valve Block / HCU - remove and install or replace (2C065/2C215/2C219/2c266/2C286) _ L 26 W
1 7M6Z*2c286*A control Asy - ABS Hydraulics
24 PM*1*C Fluid - brake
1 5M6Z*2140*B Cylinder Asy - Master
2219D Anti-lock brake system Diagnosis - l 26 w
After they replaced all these parts, I had to take it back in for, due to the brake light coming back on. This second step of the repair is when they bled the brakes... after they replaced the ABS Hydraulics. That is when the brakes had to be bled 100%. They had done a good job of bleeding, if you were only doing hydraulic work. However, with the regenerative portion of the brakes in the system, they bled them a little more. This is how it was explained to me. I have not had any additional problems with this particular issue. Hope this helps.