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What is this discussion about? Honda CR-V, Ford Escape, Car Safety, Fuel Efficiency (MPG), SUV

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#8514 of 8533 Re: Dimensions [motoguy128] by explorerx4

Sep 15, 2009 (2:32 pm)

Replying to: motoguy128 (Sep 15, 2009 8:58 am)
cr-v may have more room, but the escape is fine for 99%. i am over 6 ft and have sat in the front and rear of the escape for extended periods of time. i do not have any physical space issues.
based on the new epa ratings, with our 04' escape we are averaging 7% over (epa 18, us 19+). the 09 is averaging over 15% above the epa rating (epa 20, us 23 and should go higher as it breaks in).
also, the escape has gotten quiet, which the cr-v has not.

#8515 of 8533 Re: Dimensions [explorerx4] by motoguy128

Sep 16, 2009 (7:43 am)

Replying to: explorerx4 (Sep 15, 2009 2:32 pm)
EPA figurs are only meant as a tool to compare 2 vehicles. In "highway" driving, I beat the CR-V's EPA rating by 13%, but in my extreme city driving (average speed of about 15mph), I get 10-15% lower mileage. My '03 Toyota Corolla beat its EPA highway numbers as well, but in my city driving, it was almsot 30% below the EPA rating.
 
For 2010 the CR-V is gaining 1mpg highway and city, and is expected to be a little quieter as well.
 
It's clear we both prefer our respective vehciles.

#8516 of 8533 Re: Dimensions [motoguy128] by stevedebi

Sep 16, 2009 (8:39 am)

Replying to: motoguy128 (Sep 16, 2009 7:43 am)
"It's clear we both prefer our respective vehciles. "
 
It is interesting about the interior room. When I shopped the Escape, I had to move the seat FORWARD because I had too much legroom for comfort. I am 6' tall. In the CR-V I did not have as much room, although there was more room in the rear of the CR-V.
 
But as you said, we prefer our respective vehicles. For me the shape of the Gen3 and that ugly nose were deal killers.

#8517 of 8533 Re: Dimensions [stevedebi] by motoguy128

Sep 16, 2009 (11:32 am)

Replying to: stevedebi (Sep 16, 2009 8:39 am)
It is interesting about the interior room. When I shopped the Escape, I had to move the seat FORWARD because I had too much legroom for comfort. I am 6' tall. In the CR-V I did not have as much room, although there was more room in the rear of the CR-V.
  
But as you said, we prefer our respective vehicles. For me the shape of the Gen3 and that ugly nose were deal killers.
 
The combined frot nand rear legroom numbrs are still higher for the CR-V, so even iff you could move hte front seat 1" further back, it would still have more total legroom. I do wish Honda had mounted it another 1/2" or 1" back. I wouldn't mind 1 more "notch".
 
Funny, I had the same sentiments about Escape's front end. Well not ugly, jsut rather boring. The explorer styling just seems so tired. It just reminds me of the 1980 and 90's too much. WHich si unfortunalte because I know Ford makes dramatically better vehciles than it did in the 80's and 90's... actually most are now equal or better than the competition... but I don't want anything to remind me of it's ugly past. I actually preferrd the previous genration Escape styling bett.er I wish they would have just modernized it's headlights and grill rather than making it a mini explorer. But I think they wanted to futher seperate it from it's Mazda roots. Which is funny, because the best looking and best designed vehciles Ford has are based on Mazda or joint designs.
 
The CR-V is a little unusual and awkward looking from some angles, but I love hte side and bakc profiles and styling.

#8518 of 8533 Re: Dimensions [motoguy128] by vg33e power

Sep 16, 2009 (11:54 am)

Replying to: motoguy128 (Sep 16, 2009 11:32 am)
I own a 2004 Ford Escape Limited. When my wife and I were shopping for her vehicle we test drove the CR-V as well from 2004. Its clear which SUV won. I also like the looks of the 2005-2007 Escape better then our 2001-2004 generation (front styling for the most part). The 2008 and up Escape is also nice but it "looks" a little bit less rugged and more gussied up bling-bling type of style. The current CR-V also looks very nice all around until you get to the front nose part...what was Honda thinking?? In fact what is Honda thinking in many of their vehicles when it comes to design?? Accord? It once used to be a very nice all around vehicle, perhaps a benchmark for family sedans, but now I beleive it lost by a lot on the styling department, the Accord is just plain ugly IMO. The Element is ugly, except for the SC model, the Pilot front end got slapped with the ugly stick as well. Also, the entire Acura line-up is just butt-ugly to nicely put it. Honda may still have the edge on fit, finish and reliability, but they are loossing ground big time in styling.

#8519 of 8533 What was Honda thinking by sr146260211

Sep 16, 2009 (12:50 pm)

I had a choice between a 2007 Accord and the new arrival 2008 Accord a few short years back and preferred the 08 way more then the 07. Looks is of course are subjective and I can care less what others think of a front end looks or what ever, of any car, as long as I like it.
 
As far as what was Honda thinking with the new style ? I think they are doing just fine. Others, many others for the numbers that buy them over some other brand, think the same way.
 
   

#8520 of 8533 Re: What was Honda thinking [sr146260211] by vg33e power

Sep 16, 2009 (2:12 pm)

Replying to: sr146260211 (Sep 16, 2009 12:50 pm)
I guarantee you that "most" of those buying the 2008 and newer Accord are buying them for the following reasons in no particular order:
 
1. No choice if they want a brand new Accord
2. Reliability reputation
3. Because its a Honda
4. Interior room
5. Comfortableness
 
I really doubt that the styling is high on their roster, because subjective or not there are many people (including myself) and professional reviews (Edmunds, KBB, Motor Trend, etc.) that think the styling of the current generation (frog eyed) Accords is a step backwards from the last generation instead of an improvement.

#8521 of 8533 Re: Dimensions [motoguy128] by explorerx4

Sep 16, 2009 (3:51 pm)

Replying to: motoguy128 (Sep 16, 2009 11:32 am)
actually a lot of the front end styling of the escape (other than the plasti-chrome) has to do with aerodynamics.
look at the front end of a current Tahoe and the hybrid version.

#8522 of 8533 Re: Dimensions [vg33e power] by richk6

Sep 16, 2009 (8:15 pm)

Replying to: vg33e power (Sep 16, 2009 11:54 am)
I don't think Honda is losing ground big time in sales. Styling is subjective and those people who can't get past the G3 CRV front end are missing out in owning a superior class vehicle.
 
Number one selling SUV in U.S. 3 years running. I guess sensibility is still guiding the buying public.

#8523 of 8533 Areodynamics? by motoguy128

Sep 17, 2009 (6:48 am)

Replying to: explorerx4 (Sep 16, 2009 3:51 pm)
actually a lot of the front end styling of the escape (other than the plasti-chrome) has to do with aerodynamics.
look at the front end of a current Tahoe and the hybrid version.
 
Seriously? Making a vehcile more boxy, doesn;t enhance the aerodynamics. Reducing hte frontal area and smoothing surfaces so there are fewer sharp angles that create turbulence does.
 
Most poeple don't realize that much of the improvement in aerodynamics comes from the underside and rear end, since optimizing the front end will impact impact protection and pedestrian collision requirements that Japan and Europe have.
 
The Tahoe was just trying it update it's look.s Ford wanted theri Escape to look bigger, more like the Explorer, like a rugged SUV. Honda wanted the CR-V to be unique and look well, like a Honda and more car-like.
 
Overall, I'd suspect the CR-V has a lower or equal ceofecient of drag as the Escape, but it's larger overall dimension will give it a larger frontal area.
 
To better understand the relationship, consider a motorcycle... Many 600cc sportbikes with only 130HP at the crank can appreach 160mph. Their coefficients of drag with a rider are actually much worse than most cars, BUT, their frontal area is perhaps 1/2 that of a car.

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