Last post on Nov 22, 2011 at 3:06 PM
You are in the Ford Escape
What is this discussion about?
Honda CR-V, Ford Escape, Car Safety, Fuel Efficiency (MPG), SUV
#8506 of 8533 Re: CRV vs Escape vs RAV4 [steve_]
by vg33e power
Aug 27, 2009 (12:32 pm)
My apologies for understanding your comment negatively...and yes although a bit low in HP the VG33E engine was an outstanding engine with lots of torque, it was also built like a tank in my opinion. Loved my 2004 Nissan Frontier but it fell victim to the over $4.00 a gallon crisis.
#8507 of 8533 Re: Brakes and MT's [motoguy128]
Aug 27, 2009 (4:48 pm)
my wife has a black escape with the chrome trim and plastic chrome wheels.
i had my doubts about the plastic chromies, but they are easy to clean, as advertised.
#8508 of 8533 Cross shopping the CRV vs Escape now?
Sep 12, 2009 (11:48 am)
Is anyone actually cross shoping these vehicles now, or are we just talking Odyssey brakes, Nissan motors and lawn motors?
Anybody recently cross shop them?
PS-I had a Craftsman with a Briggs and Stratton, and a Bolens with a Briggs and Stratton. Neither compares to the Honda mower. Pay the extra $100 for a product that will always work properly and last twice as long. It's like buying a Weber grill, Levis jeans or a Polo shirt. They work better, feel better and last longer. And because they last much longer, they are cheaper in the long run.
Sep 14, 2009 (10:23 am)
Nope. the Escape looks like a Mini Ford Explorer...and thats's not a compliment. It' a little ugly box. Sorry. That's the extent of my cross shopping. Also, on the spec sheet, it doesn't have as much interior flexibility as the CR-V. The upgraded pwoertrains are at least a big step forward.
Ultimately I don't expect it to steer or handle like a Honda. But for those that just puch pedals and turn the wheel where they want to go, and don't care, it's probably a perfectly good alternative.
#8510 of 8533 Re: Escape styling? [motoguy128]
Sep 14, 2009 (10:32 am)
I guess beauty is really in the eye of the beholder, as I prefer the Escapes looks to the CRV. I like the SUV look.
What do you mean by "interior flexibility". I know that the rear window on the Escape can be opened independently of the rear door, something the CRV and RAV4 don't have. This has been useful to me on Pathfinder for carrying long things like mouldings and 2 x 4s from Home Depot, or taking things to the dump. It's just added flexibility.
I am sure it doesn't stop or handle lke a Honda.
#8511 of 8533 Re: Escape styling? [motoguy128]
Sep 14, 2009 (12:36 pm)
"Nope. the Escape looks like a Mini Ford Explorer...and thats's not a compliment. It' a little ugly box. Sorry. That's the extent of my cross shopping. Also, on the spec sheet, it doesn't have as much interior flexibility as the CR-V. The upgraded pwoertrains are at least a big step forward. "
I owned a gen2 CR-V, and I liked the car. However, when it came time to buy new, I simply hated the styling of the Gen3, and I like the classic styling of the Escape. That "boxy shape" provides a much more usable interior over the rounded shapes of the other vehicles. And I also like the separate glass window opening instead of a fixed rear window.
But then I am a person who puts functionality over style (although I like the Escape style).
Sep 15, 2009 (8:58 am)
The Escape has less cargo room, less passenger interior volume, significantly less legroom in the rear... despite weighing about the same. The new 2.5L is an improvement, but the revised Honda 2.4L comming in the 2010 model makes even more power.
although some of that cargo volume comes from a deeper cargo area since the rear seat flip forward rather than folding forward creating a flat load floor.
The 4WD 4 cylinder Escape still gets 2mpg city and highway despite having a 6 speed automatic. Ford must use more of a full-time 4WD system whereas Honda, Toyota and Nissan use more of a part time system.
I suppose it is personal preference. I like my CUV's rounded and sleek so long as they don't sacrifice interior room. The CR-V doesn't. But I am biased.
#8513 of 8533 Re: Dimensions [motoguy128]
Sep 15, 2009 (12:59 pm)
"The 4WD 4 cylinder Escape still gets 2mpg city and highway despite having a 6 speed automatic. Ford must use more of a full-time 4WD system whereas Honda, Toyota and Nissan use more of a part time system. "
And my 2008 Escape Hybrid AWD gets 30 MPG in town, about 32 on the road here on LA freeways. An FWD will get 35 in town... although it is more expensive that the CR-V. But there is no high mileage option available on the CR-V.
You are correct about Ford use of AWD; it kicks in to enhance performance and handling even on dry roads. Ford calls it "intelligent", whatever that means.
"I suppose it is personal preference. I like my CUV's rounded and sleek so long as they don't sacrifice interior room. The CR-V doesn't. But I am biased."
It is personal preference (I hate the CR-V Gen3 front end), but I have to disagree with you on the sacrifice of interior room. The Gen3 would have been HUGELY larger inside if they had kept the rear in the "box" configuration. The vehicle is larger in all dimensions outside than the Gen2, but about the same inside.
#8514 of 8533 Re: Dimensions [motoguy128]
Sep 15, 2009 (2:32 pm)
cr-v may have more room, but the escape is fine for 99%. i am over 6 ft and have sat in the front and rear of the escape for extended periods of time. i do not have any physical space issues.
based on the new epa ratings, with our 04' escape we are averaging 7% over (epa 18, us 19+). the 09 is averaging over 15% above the epa rating (epa 20, us 23 and should go higher as it breaks in).
also, the escape has gotten quiet, which the cr-v has not.
#8515 of 8533 Re: Dimensions [explorerx4]
Sep 16, 2009 (7:43 am)
EPA figurs are only meant as a tool to compare 2 vehicles. In "highway" driving, I beat the CR-V's EPA rating by 13%, but in my extreme city driving (average speed of about 15mph), I get 10-15% lower mileage. My '03 Toyota Corolla beat its EPA highway numbers as well, but in my city driving, it was almsot 30% below the EPA rating.
For 2010 the CR-V is gaining 1mpg highway and city, and is expected to be a little quieter as well.
It's clear we both prefer our respective vehciles.