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Honda CR-V, Ford Escape, Car Safety, Fuel Efficiency (MPG), SUV
#8486 of 8533 Re: CRV vs Escape vs RAV4 [baggs32]
Aug 25, 2009 (12:42 pm)
I don't know anything about the quality of Honda rotors. I have never owned a Honda, (except for my lawn mower which always starts on the furst pull!)
I have no scientific data, nor do I know of any in depth studies regarding Ford rotors, but I did own two Aerostars. The first was bought used, a 1988, and I don't remember much about that one as I only had it a few years. But the scond, a '93, was bought new. It seems the rotors were always warped. I had them cut and replaced several times. I heard somewhere, maybe from my mechanic, that this was a problem on all Fords.
It is hard sometimes to drive the car normally, and then have a avoid a puddle of slushy water in the winter. The brakes are just warm, but it seems that ice water warped the Ford rotors more than an other car I have ever had.
Nissan and Toyota rotors are excellent, from what I've seen. I also heard once that the American automakers buy their parts from the cheapest supplier, whereas the Japanese continue to buy from proven suppliers they trust, even if it costs a little more.
Aug 25, 2009 (1:37 pm)
My experience is that Toyota skimps on their brakes. the brakes in my '91 Tercel were undersized and we were always needing ot have hte rotors turned on our Corollas. The mechanics often mentioned that you could only turn Toyota rotors once, while most other brands you could turn a couple of times.
I drove my parents '08 Toyota Camry. Maybe something was wrong with it, but I had 5 adults in the car and I need a LOT of muscle (an I'm a cyclist) had for even a moderate stop. I've had 5 peopel in our Altima and in my previous '04 accord and never needed searly that much brake pressure.
My parents also had issues with the wheel bearing and brakes on their '92 Camry and Highlander ('03 model I think???).
#8488 of 8533 Re: CRV vs Escape vs RAV4 [chuckfromli]
by vg33e power
Aug 25, 2009 (2:39 pm)
Well I may be hard on my brakes but I have owned several Hondas, a couple of Nissan Frontiers, and I now own a Mazda as well as the Ford Escape and I can say that all but the Nissans have warped and made my steering wheel shake. Hondas can only take one turning as long as they are not gouged, Nissnas never had to be turned or replaced, my current Mazda I do not know yet as it is the first time I will be doing brakes but I know for sure that the Ford Escape brakes caanot be turned and need to be replaced everytime you replace brake pads. I did it once and I am getting ready to do it again now at 63K miles.
#8489 of 8533 Re: CRV vs Escape vs RAV4 [baggs32]
Aug 25, 2009 (6:33 pm)
I've had Ford, Honda and Toyota recently and found the Ford's needed more frequent brake work, Honda the least. Personally, I'd prefer rear drum brakes because I think they are less hassle and expense. However, if I was driving in mountains I'd prefer rear discs.
#8490 of 8533 Re: CRV vs Escape vs RAV4 [berri]
by vg33e power
Aug 26, 2009 (7:54 am)
What Ford vehicle and Honda vehicle are you comparing as far as longevity? I have had a 96 Civic, 99 Civic, 96 Accord, 02 Civic, 03 Accord and all have needed front brakes and resurfacing by 20K miles. As opposed to my wife's Ford Escape which needed brakes and rotors replaced at 32K miles. My 04 Nissan Frontier I used to have also did not need replcement of pads until about 34K miles and finally my current Mazda5 is needing pads and perhaps rotors after 23K miles.
By my own personal experience Honda and now my Mazda require more frequent brake work then that of our Ford Escape or my previous Nissan truck. Also up until 2002 and newer Hondas, Honda's brake performance was very weak needing a lot of effort to stop the vehicle and premature overheating which amounts to warped rotors just my opinion...and BTW I don't hate Honda I am after all a Honda Certified Parts Specialist that works for an Auto Group which includes Honda.
#8491 of 8533 Re: CRV vs Escape vs RAV4 [vg33e power]
Aug 26, 2009 (8:49 am)
CRV needed first brake job at 54K, Ody still on original brakes at 56K, Taurus needed brake work about every 20-22K, Windstar went about 24K (didn't get a second brake job because I got rid of that POS around 32K). The Explorer was the best Ford I owned on brakes (went about 28K, then another at 49K) but it had constant suspension issues. I won't get into vibrating rental car brakes because that wouldn't necessarily be fair.
#8492 of 8533 Re: CRV vs Escape vs RAV4 [berri]
by vg33e power
Aug 26, 2009 (9:03 am)
WOW! 54K on the CR-V and 56K on the Ody and still going!!! I dont care if its a Honda or whatever other brand, that is awesome rates of longevity. I wish all vehicles lasted that long or longer. Maybe my figures have to do with my styleof driving...always speeding.
My wife is a far more safe driver always driving speed limit and very cautious besides the occasional passing on the freeway speeding...maybe thats why her brakes on her Escape (since she drives it 95% of the time) lasted as long as they did.
#8493 of 8533 Re: CRV vs Escape vs RAV4 [chuckfromli]
Aug 26, 2009 (9:55 am)
except for my lawn mower which always starts on the furst pull!)
My 8 year old Craftsman with a Briggs & Stratton engine has never taken more than one pull to start and the only maintenance I've ever done on it is to put gas in it. A comparable Honda powered lawn mower will run you $100 to $200 more so I think I'll save my money.
I heard somewhere, maybe from my mechanic, that this was a problem on all Fords.
Probably because he just overcharged you for an even cheaper set of rotors and blaming the mfr will keep you coming back for more.
Again, driving style plays into rotor and pad longevity in a very big way. Our aforementioned Civic was primarily my wife's car and the brakes were being done on it more often than I'd like to remember. She also warped the rotors on one of our previous Escapes, and has slightly warped them on our '08 Escape. The cars I've driven primarily, all Fords and one Mazda, have never had warped rotors or worn pads. Therefore I can only chalk it up to her driving style which is very hard on the brakes. She's a "gas it all the way to the stop sign and slam on the brakes" style driver if you know what I mean.
She did drive our '06 Explorer for a couple of years and those rotors never did warp. Although that thing was a beast and had some excellent brakes I have to say. It's quite possible the rotors were of a better quality on that truck. Probably because it was a true truck and therefore was built to tow.
I won't argue that some mfrs do use better rotors than others. However I would argue that the quality varies from model to model, or even year to year, even within a specific mfr's lineup.
I also heard once that the American automakers buy their parts from the cheapest supplier, whereas the Japanese continue to buy from proven suppliers they trust, even if it costs a little more.
If the car was built here then chances are they bought the part from the same supplier that a domestic mfr bought it from. There are too many factors that play into warped rotors to make blanket statements. In addition to driving style, what about the pads? The engineering of the brake system's hydraulics? Even if all mfrs used the same exact rotors on all their vehicles, you would still see differences in longevity across the brands.
#8494 of 8533 Re: CRV vs Escape vs RAV4 [vg33e power]
Aug 26, 2009 (1:03 pm)
WOW! blueiedgod you really are a work of art.... and an ignorant self centered individual!
What about handicapped "men" that "need" an automatic because...guess what? God only gave us four limbs and two of them are nonfuctional in which the only two limbs left (both arms) need to be used to steer, brake and accelerate.
I think the only one around here with a complex is yourself in which you "need" a manual transmission vehicle to make up for the lack of your manhood. Now go put on a dress and get a real "manly" car with a manual transmission and stop driving your "unmanly CR-V" you jack!
"Silly blueiedgod CR-V's are for sissies"
Hey, did I say anything about handicaps? Maybe with a doctor's note they can get a specialty made automatic. I am pretty sure I have seen vehicles modfified for people with non-functional limbs.
There is no reason that a healthy man, or a woman for that matter could not be bothered to shift gears and pay attention to the road. Automatics are the evil that allows people to eat, drink, call, text, read a book while behind the whell. It allows them to do anything but driving. And when perfectly healthy men start crying out "Mommy, I don't want to shift in traffic!!!" Mommy goes and gives them the bottle, or automatic in this case, rather than making them tough it out.
As to my CR-V, it is manly enough for me. I have taken it off roading plenty of times, and have taken it to the track, and have used it to haul stuff from Home Depot/Lowes... you may even call it jack of all trades... jack....
Come to think of it, all of my vehicles are 4 cylinder. The 88 Prelude is a 2.0L I4, the 83 Magna is a 750 cc V4, and the 05 CR-V is a 2.4 L I4. Maybe I am the sissy you have been implying because I care about the environment and my carbon footprint, and I only consume what I need. But, hey, I am sure you are a manly man and could care less about anyone but your self.
#8495 of 8533 Re: CRV vs Escape vs RAV4 [vg33e power]
Aug 26, 2009 (2:06 pm)
WOW! 54K on the CR-V and 56K on the Ody and still going!!! I dont care if its a Honda or whatever other brand, that is awesome rates of longevity. I wish all vehicles lasted that long or longer
I've been rather surprised myself. I'm sure the van will need them one of these days. However, reading about all of the A/C and Tranny problems on Honda's as they age is starting to make me think I may need to dump them soon before they get expensive. One thing I will say about the Ford's I've had the past 10 years, they all had really comfortable seats that were great on the back during long drives and while they have had more repairs than my Honda or Toyota vehicles, they have mostly been relatively minor and not too expensive, although the problems seemed to climb geometrically after around 60K. The Honda dealers here gouge you! I think I like the Toyota's the best, but I'm not particularly fond of the RAV-4, I think it needs a redesign or at least a major updating.