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Jeep Wrangler Unlimited, SUV
#277 of 548 Re: To Rubicon or not Rubicon, that is the question [stevensoriano]
Oct 17, 2006 (10:28 am)
As a Former Jeep Salesman and owner of a 1986 Cherokee, 1998 Wrangler, and a 2003 Liberty. The salesman is right and wrong. The Sahara will give you a slightly more comfortable "ride". The Rubicon was originally created for those Wrangler Fanatics who buy a base to mid model and spend another 10-15 K in offroad mods. It was also designed to refresh the Wrnagler youth market. That being said I think if you were to take it off road on the beaches and woods you would be much happier in the Rubicon. I have not driven the new "Unlimited" 4 door but have sat in it and think it will sell and perform well. It is not really a 1st year production b/c it is based on the stretched "Unlimited" that has been produced for a few years now. I would love to have gotten one of these, but I needed more space for comfort so I now drive a 2007 Tahoe. Just felt in all fairness I should let you know what I drive.
#278 of 548 Test drove 2
Oct 29, 2006 (8:13 pm)
I recently test drove the new 4-door in both stick and automatic.
They drove about the way I expected, the stick was clunky and I didn't realize until later that it was a 6 speed, so I never put it in 6th on the highway.
The automatic seemed to drive much more smoothly.
They were both quite noisy with tire and wind noise and the stick model was very stripped of options. It didn't even have power windows or cruise. Between the sun glare and the black on black interior, it took a few minutes for us to find the window cranks that blended into the black door panels almost as if hidden. We were trying to find the power window switches and later felt the crank and realized it didn't have power windows.
One of the test drives was in a Wrangler that had not been prepped and still had plastic on the steering wheel. After making a U-turn the plastic wrap got caught in the wiper stalk, almost breaking off the stalk and causing the vehicle to veer dangerously into the median. After ripping off the plastic wrap, we continued the test drive.
Performance was "OK."
Back seat was barely adequate even on the 4-doors, so the 2-doors must not have a useful rear seat at all.
Fuel economy ratings are poor. That was the main reason I didn't bother talking the dealer about price and just left.
If I really loved, it I might have considered it a little.
Maybe there will be a diesel with better mileage in future years.
I think many people will like the looks and price if you don't put many options on it. So, it should sell well to people looking for this type of vehicle.
The 4-door manual kind of looked like a Hummer H3, but the sticker was around $23K.
The prepped models had a bunch of dealer junk add-ons like giant chrome rims priced at about $5000, plus another $5000 in additional dealer markup. This brought their asking prices into a laughable range well over $35K despite having very few factory options.
#279 of 548 MyGIG & Test Drive
Oct 30, 2006 (5:00 pm)
I stopped by my dealer today...they said that the MyGIG navigation won't be available until later. Does anybody know when it will be available?
TEST DRIVE Key points:
- Soft top is really not much louder inside
- Definitely hear/feel a difference in the ride between the Rubicon and Sahar...Sahara was much better
- The engine is definitely not a HEMI but it gets the job done
- Don't expect your dealer to know how to work the different tops
- They said they are selling these as fast as they get them in, which is true as I pass their dealer and they are always missing one on the lot. They say that they come in often though
- I'd recommend buying one
#280 of 548 Re: To Rubicon or not Rubicon, that is the question [twernst10]
Nov 26, 2006 (11:16 pm)
I bought a car last week.
Instead of the Rubicon Unlimited or the Sahara Unlimited I got a Pontiac G6 Convertible.
How can you go from a Jeep to a econo-coupe-convertible????? I wanted a convertible. She demanded room for the kids. The Wrangler was a logical choice, until I drove it.
1) There is no place for my left arm
2) The dealer doesn't have hardly any inventory to choose from, and certainly no 07 Rubicon Unlimiteds
3) GM has a 100k mile warrantee, DC has about a third of that
4) I have a Tomcar for off roading, and next year Polaris will come out with a Ranger that will fit my kids.
5) Putting the roof up and down was a royal pain in the butt. Even the sales people were cursing while struggling with the cloth top. The hard plastic freedom top is a cool idea, but you either go topless or covered. You can't take the top with you on a trip other than in place.
To the Jeep people out there, I feel like I betrayed you. But, to be fair, here in Arizona, the only time for convertibles is winter, and to wait a year for the Jeep would have been too long.
Maybe a used one on Ebay next year?
#281 of 548 Leased one: NOW THE WAIT !
Dec 09, 2006 (6:48 am)
I signed for a 2007 RUBICON lease 3 weeks ago, having been told that it would be about 6 weeks to build and ship it. Two weeks ago ,at my inquiry , I was told that Rubicons won't be built (with half-doors) until 01/31/07 . THIS, to put it MILDLY ....STINKS ! Maybe JEEP should put a disclaimer in their multi-million dollar ad campaign that Rubicon customers will have a good long wait for a vehicle of their choice . Otherwise you get a Hobson's. STINKS !
#282 of 548 6 weeks may be optimistic...
Dec 09, 2006 (11:44 am)
During the Thanksgiving holiday, I went to GA (Jasper Jeep) to pick up the Wrangler 4-door Sahara I order back in September. I thoroughly trust this dealership as I've bought all of my Jeeps from them, no matter where I'm living when I buy/order. I was told that more than 50 peopled called to buy my Jeep after it arrived. They finally had to move it to the back lot. It now appears that the wait for a 4-door could be as long as three months for orders that go in now. They are still trying to get the dealers stock vehicles built now and, as mentioned, won't start on the special orders until mid-January at the earliest.
Now, as for the vehicle, I put 1400+ miles on it coming home to Colorado and it handled and move like a dream--Jeep. It is a Jeep and everyone, including the auto reviewers, should remember that. But it's the best riding, handling and power-balanced Jeep I've ever owned or driven. I'm absolutely satisfied. More power would have made it dangerous. It passed well on the highway and cruised comfortably at 75+mph. Averaged about 16 to 19 MPG on the break-in trip and seem to be doing better now. Only problem I've noticed is that the MPG calculations in the stock Sahara computer is about 2-2.5 MPG high. I ordered the 17" wheels so that may be the problem, especially if they neglected to reset the pinion factor in the vehicle's computer before it left the factory. I'm taking it in at my earliest opportunity. Otherwise, I super satisifed. And apparently the public is excited about it as well since I've been approached everytime I buy gas or get it washed. Everyone says, "Now I'm ready to buy a Jeep!" As I went into the carwash the other day, one of the girls there held up a handwritten sign that said, "I want your Jeep!" (You young, single fellers should keep that in mind!) >
#283 of 548 Re: 6 weeks may be optimistic... [cohighlander]
Dec 09, 2006 (4:44 pm)
At my dealer in Ohio, Junction Auto, they always have Unlimiteds in stock... Granted they don't sit for long but they are there.
And good point COhighlander everybody seems to want one of these!
#284 of 548 Re: 6 weeks may be optimistic... [mr_anton89]
Dec 11, 2006 (2:03 pm)
The wait is due to the half doors only, not the Rubicon part of it.
On a new model, do you really expect things to be done in a same timeframe for every feature? DC is NOT the only one that does that. Even makers like BMW will delay certain features (like their comfort access or whatever they call it) and have it during the mid-year cycle.
This is yet another reason to wait a year on a new model.
Hope your wait isn't pushed out further. But demand, and those queued up ahead of you, may dictate you length of wait.
#286 of 548 Re: Quit whining! [nmertz]
Dec 14, 2006 (11:44 am)
The CJ... Ah, what fond memories. And yes, THAT was a Jeep in every sense of the word. I could take that thing anywhere. It did ride like a Jeep should - rough on road and superb off-road. That's why it's a Jeep. If you want a smooth ride then you aren't going to be able to get a quality 'combo' vehicle that will do both. The new Z71's are pretty close, but still can't match a Jeep's capability off road. While the 258 inline 6 in the old CJ's lacked in speed they were more than capable in handling anything I ever put it through off road, and I put it through a lot (mud/rocks/snow/sand/whatever. I had an '82 CJ-7 Renegade and wish I had never sold it... I'd still drive it today if I could.