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Jeep Wrangler Unlimited, SUV
Sep 27, 2004 (10:40 am)
Nice pictures of Thelma Jane as usual, Tom. Looks like I can post again too.
However the front suspension may turn out, at least it has been confirmed that it will be body on frame... I seriously believe solid axles will live on in the 2007 Wrangler.
As for the RB1, several people have been installing this system in their 2003-5 Wranglers already, with zero problems.
Have you hugged your Jeep today?
#141 of 548 Re: I hope they [tsjay]
Oct 07, 2004 (7:01 am)
The pix of the Wrangler does not have a stock suspension. No stock Wrangler will have the kind of articulation shown here.
#142 of 548 rsholland
Oct 07, 2004 (9:25 pm)
That's true... it is unfair to compare a modified Wrangler (2" spring suspension lift, not spacers). Also, the front anti-sway bar may be disconnected in this picture, which allows for more flex/articulation.
I'm beginning to think that the Wrangler will be released for the 2007 model year, since we have no sort of information or pictures, with the exception of a Photoshopped Jeep Rescue. If it was a 2006, we would have more information, and have seen some sort of drawing or prototype by now.
#143 of 548 I think the point
Oct 08, 2004 (8:47 am)
Tom was making that a solid axle suspension setup like on the current TJ's is more flexible than an IFS setup, giving better articulation. Yes, Tom's Thelma Jane IS lifted and he had it disconnected.
But the point was that the solid axle COULD do that. Could a modified IFS setup give the articulation that a modified solid axle does?
Oct 08, 2004 (3:38 pm)
Could a modified IFS setup give the articulation that a modified solid axle does?
When you start getting into purpose-built or modified suspensions, be it solid axle or IFS/IRS, it becomes a slippery slope. Pun intended:)
No, most independent set ups don't have that kind of articulation potential. On the flip side, as important as articulation is, many of the newer high-tech 4WD setups will get you moving (or un-stuck) with traction just going to one wheel. So today, depending on what you're driving, enormous articulation isn't as important as it was say 5 years ago when these new trick 4WD systems weren't available. BTW, I have seen some pretty trick IFS/IRS off-road set-ups, with gobs of suspension travel, but they're purpose-built units.
At the end of the day, what's important is that you got to your destination. If massive articulation is the answer, then great. If a trick 4WD system (with relatively poor articulation) gets you there, then that's fine too.
Oct 18, 2004 (2:13 pm)
I just read this board today. I can't believe they will be changing much of the styling - it seems like DC is going to continue many of the traditions of the Jeep brand, like listening to the owners.
Seats - I love the seats in the older Wranglers (like they had in '98) - very comfortable. The new ones are still comfortable but don't fit me as well. Even the new ones are more comfortable than many of the other cars I've test driven (or rented), so I hope they don't change them very much. About the only thing I might like to have with the interior is heated seats. That sure would be nice on cold mornings.
I think I saw the factory system demonstrated at Camp Jeep this summer. They said that it could be installed in the '03 and later Wranglers (the start year could have been earlier than that but it wasn't an option for a '98). While it had some nice features, I wasn't impressed with the map database - it didn't even have my "town" much less my street (it only had the next town over from mine). I lost interest in it after that, so I never asked if you could hook it into a computer and upload/download other map databases to it, or other people's computed off-road routes.
As far as suspension systems go - the Army seems to be pretty happy with the military hummer, and that's independent suspension. I'll reserve judgement on this issue until I see what comes out. I'd like to see more use of selectable lockers and the idea of a factory installed winch is neat.
Nov 22, 2004 (4:04 pm)
Is the new wrangler to be a 2007 model???
Nov 22, 2004 (8:30 pm)
Most likely. There either will or won't be a 2006.
#148 of 548 Re: That would be very stupid [dwrestle]
Mar 08, 2005 (6:31 pm)
I firmly believe that Daimler/Chrysler is that stupid, unfortunately. They destroyed the Cherokee to make a soccer mom car and now they have destroyed the GC for the same reason. They don't give a hoot about keeping the jeep image; they do care about selling cars. And there are millions more soccer moms than those of us willing and able to venture to Moab. I do believe the demographics actually show that more women drive jeeps than men...and when they want a softer ride around town they will get it. We tend to think we off-roaders are in the majority and really cared about...look at what's happened to the entire SUV market because of soccer moms..lower ground clearance, tires under the car reducing gas tank size, IFS all around. Most jeeps never see anything except pavement on the way to Walmart and Chili's. Yes, Chrysler will make big changes and ruin the Wrangler all in the name of MONEY!! Customer demand wins again! That's why I'm buying a new jeep now..it's going to happen and finally a vehicle just became a good investment because there won't be anymore made in the future! Bet's on..........
#149 of 548 Re: That would be very stupid [iconoclast]
Mar 09, 2005 (1:51 pm)
I agree that DC is more interested in the soccer moms and suburban grocery haulers. The fact that the Rubicon came into existence is almost unbelievable. DC has their $100,000 plus G55 AMG. Porsche has their Cayan. The buying public has no regard for off roading. They want vehicles that are ultra fast sport wagons with 4WD capability. There is no margin in the Wrangler line. DC will jettison their Icons for margin and market share.