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Jeep Wrangler Unlimited, SUV
#114 of 548 Know what you are writing about before keying it in...
Jul 12, 2009 (7:59 am)
I found issue with the OPINIONS provided on the test of the 2007 JEEP Wrangler Unlimited 4x4. The JEEP is not an SUV; and an SUV, is NOT a JEEP. I have owned a 1993 Wrangler, a 1989 Cherokee (225,000 miles on it when I sold it), a 1999 Grand Cherokee Limited, a 2003 Rubicon, and now a 2007 Rubicon Unlimited. I've driven about 47,000 miles in the Rubicon Unlimted in a hair over two years, and love it. No other vehicle can go anywhere at anytime. I drove my 1993 Wrangler through the 100 year flood in Reno, NV years ago, and watched other supposed 4x4 vehilces...SUVs, stuck in the snow, and trying to keep their tires dry. I looked for water and snow to drive through.
I have driven through snow fall that has shut cities down in my Rubicon Unlimited, while SUVs timidly tried to drive in my path, like a toddler touches the bath water timidly with his/her toe. Hell, with a JEEP, you can faithfully just jump right in. Oh, and if you want to go topless, hey another thing an SUV can't touch.
Remember this...a Hummer H3 has a mid-size trailblazer wheel base. Essentially they took a midsize want-a-be SUV, and put a more mannly and more JEEP-like mask to sell it.
Then, you have the Toyota FJ, which doesn't come close to the retro FJ's that came close to competing with the JEEP. The FJ has a small/mid-size Landcruiser 120 Series Prado, or Lexis GS (US model), which is similiar to the 4-Runner wheelbase. So, they took a want-to be SUV, and put what they thought was more mannly and more JEEP-like mask to sell it.
Hell, a mask is a mask...a PT Cruiser is a Neon with a bolder face.
One vehicle that come close to a JEEP, and what a JEEP is built for, would be the Landrover, which in 1948 was first built, oh, using a JEEP wheelbase. Wow, imagine that. But, the Landrover of today, is maybe what an SUV is...but not a JEEP. Older Landrovers could come close to competing.
Then you have the Mercedes G models. But for the money yo u pay for even a base model, if it comes in one, you could outfit one hell of a JEEP, that would be untouchable.
Be smart when you buy. Know the product before you sink hard eraned money into it. Remember, a JEEP is not an SUV, and an SUV is not a JEEP.
I love my 2007 Wrangler Rubicon Unlimited. As said, I have driven it about 47,000 miles in just over two years, as I drive it for work. I get all kinds of compliments, and questions. If you love sitting in a well heated or cooled leather-clad lobby, then buy a high-end SUV, Escalade, Landrover with all the animities. A JEEP has its purposes, and people who purchase a JEEP have there purposes.
#116 of 548 Re: Know what you are writing about before keying it in... [jeepnotansuv]
Jul 13, 2009 (10:43 am)
Excellent points. I never can understand why people expect a Wrangler to handle like a Boxster S and ride like a Park Avenue. That said, I have a 1999 TJ fitted with Bilstein HD shocks and I don't think it rides all that bad- and neither do my wife and son. To hear some people talk you'd think Wranglers came with tires filled with concrete, and that simply isn't the case. Yes, it's a bit noisy at speed, but the heater easily copes with sub-zero temps and the A/C works equally well in the summer heat. The only thing I'd even remotely consider replacing it with would be a Defender 90, and they are simply too expensive for my 4X4 needs and tastes.
#117 of 548 Re: Know what you are writing about before keying it in... [roadburner]
Jul 14, 2009 (2:31 am)
The only thing I'd even remotely consider replacing it with would be a Defender 90, and they are simply too expensive for my 4X4 needs and tastes.
I agree. The Defender 90 is probably the most similar in terms of both size and spec out there.
Both have evolved in a similar manner, with a transition to coils after many years on leaf springs, and the options of large and small gas engines but with the Land Rover having also had the option of a diesel for many years.
The Defender is only expensive here because of its rarity. In the UK they're as common and comparably priced to the way Wranglers are here.
#119 of 548 2007 Jeep Wrangler
Aug 22, 2011 (6:21 am)
#120 of 548 2006 Wrangler Replacement
Jun 30, 2004 (6:57 am)
Rumor has it, TJ will be replaced with KJ based vehicle. Gone are solid front axles, and ladder frames with the 4.0L pushing it all. In are IFS unibody framed cute-ute styled vehicles pushed with a 2.4L 4cyl, 2.8L Desiel, or the destructable 3.7L V6.
If you want to know what the body will look like, take a late model tracker and put the liberty front end on. Heard no more removable doors.
#121 of 548 That would be very stupid
Jul 02, 2004 (1:51 pm)
There is no way Jeep would get rid of the Wrangler look, it's everything Jeep is, and everything Jeep was, and everything Jeep will be in the future. They would have to be nuts to get rid of the Wrangler, they might get rid of the 4.0 for the 3.7, and they might(I'm hoping)put the 2.8 Diesel in it, but they won't make that dramatic of a change, besides the vehicle you are describing is a Liberty.
#122 of 548 2007 wrangler pic in Car and Driver
Jul 09, 2004 (5:16 am)
Just got my latest Car and Driver in the mail and there's a pic and blurb about the new wrangler. I'm going off memory right now, so some of this may be incorrect, but it says it will be released in early 2006 as a 2007 model. Changes include revised doors (hard to tell from pic whether they were still removable), round side mirrors, integrated front bumper/winch assembly, and new headlight/foglight assembly, and that's about all i remember off hand.
The bumper/winch looked slick, the side mirrors very old school- think 1950's ford/chevy pickup-esque. Doors looked similar, but hard to tell because of the angle.
The headlights were round (at least they learned that lesson), and the foglights were integrated into it a little down and to the outside, so the 2 circles (headlight and foglamp) shared a little common area in the corner. I think car and driver described it as looking "Siamese", but as I am fairly unfamiliar with folks from Siam, that term didnt mean a whole lot to me.
Anywho, that's about all I can remember. I've been trolling this and the regular wrangler board for a while, but because I am as-of-yet jeepless, I havent had anything to post about.
Hopefully one of these days I'll become a more regular poster.
#123 of 548 C&D photo of "new" Wrangler
Jul 09, 2004 (6:43 am)
It was shown in another forum that the C&D photo is just a Photoshopped image of the Rescue concept vehicle... Photochop done by user "electric sheep".