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Sedans Pontiac G8 2008 Pontiac G8
1265 messages, Last post on Jul 21, 2009 at 10:14 AM
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Obviously you are not much of a reader. According to Consumer reports American cars have been better quality than vehicles from Europe for years now. Furthermore, according to the latest JD powers report American vehicles are just about tied with vehicles from Japanese manufactures. I would like to understand where you are getting your statistics. Are you just making them up??? How many new vehicles do you own? How many late model American vehicles have you tested? How long have you owned them. I just traded two Fords with 200k plus miles each on them. I also presently own a vette, G8 Lincoln and F150.
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Replying to: mrpushrod (Sep 12, 2008 8:23 am) 2003 Denali - Purchased new - $3,600 worth of repairs so far in 60K miles. Lincoln LS Pontiac GTP Chevy Suburban Pontiac GrandAm Lincoln MVII LSC Pontiac Grand Prix Buick Park Avenue Cadillac FWB D'Elegance Crysler 5th Ave. Don't much car about rag comments...I go by experience. Always liked the 'vette and will buy one because of the developed heritage and vast improvements. I will test drive the GT if my dealer ever gets one in! Regards, OW |
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Sounds like a bunch of older models. I have purchased over 35 new vehicles myself (a bit of a car buff). I was just listing what I own currently in my last response. I even put 280K miles on a 86 Crown Vic. W/Trailer towing package (orig eng & transmission). Again, if you were to buy a later model V6 Fusion, Milan, or Lincoln MK you would be buying a vehicle much more reliable than a Camry V6. Furthermore, I repeat, if you did some research you would find that American vehicles are more reliable than vehicles made in Europe and almost tied with Japan. I would say that both JD powers and Consumer reports used a little more diligence and finesse in their tests as they surveyed thousands of owners and vehicles rather than testing 4 or 5 samples of older American cars owned by one closed minded person such as you used in your quality test. CR & JD Powers even surveyed people such as yourself with deep rooted perception issues that think vehicles from Europe are more reliable than American vehicles. Even when people that own European vehicles report that their cars are not as reliable. Now that I understand how you did your testing, I think I will just ignore the results and find a more reliable source. Thanks for sharing your test plan with us.
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Replying to: mrpushrod (Sep 12, 2008 8:12 pm) I go by this, usually...my BMW wasn't a bad choice because it is high in desirability as well. If you are a driver, you will know. Otherwise, DSFDF. 2008 Vehicle Dependability Study Audi and Mercedes have a way to go but if you want Ultra high reliability, Toyota and Honda are the standard. To me, their desirability is low but to others, dependability is what is paramount. Since the G8 is a Pontiac model, you can see the lower reliability which you would call average. The G8, hopefully changes that because it is IMPORTED! Regards, OW Regards, OW
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Replying to: circlew (Sep 13, 2008 5:02 am) Crown vic is a bad example, just like the ford ranger because they haven't changed them in about 15+ years! If you always make the same car then yeah eventually you'll get it right.  -mike
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Replying to: paisan (Sep 13, 2008 11:45 am) What's so bad about that? If you change models every three years you have to start all over and never get it right. Vette, Mustang, 3-series, Corolla, Civic. Regards, OW
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I think you stand corrected. Honda, Toyota, Mercury & Lincoln are the standard for dependability (Again, only if you can get by your prejudices). All of which are fairly boring cars. I need low end grunt/torque & preferably RWD to have fun. Love to kick the rear-end out from time to time. My wife actually drives the G8 as a daily ride. It is not even a close substitute for the C5 vette. Maybe the GXP will fare better. One more feather in the American car makers caps is the tenacity to keep the smaller, lighter, simpler pushrod engine alive.
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Replying to: mrpushrod (Sep 14, 2008 4:01 pm) The G8 is finally what will compete. Again, it's an import. The cars that will excited should have been developed as the 'Vette and Mustang. Home-grown Camaro and Challenger. It takes desperate times and finally these classics return. I wish you the best of luck with the G8 and your C5! Regards, OW |
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do we define toyota and honda as imports now that both the accord and the camry are built here in the US now??..even BMW builds their SUVs here in the US now.....so when do we blur the line...and no longer consider it an import.... parts may be imported....but does point of assembly count more.....Im not so much worried about import vs domestic.....but the US manufacturers are still playing catch up...are making progress......but only time will tell
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| Which division did Mercedes sell off when times got tough??? Why do you want to ship a profit back to Japan every time they sell a Camry? Why is the UAW strangling our companies for better wages, health care and unheard off layoff packages, when we are not competitive now? At least the Holden plant is a subsidiary of GM much like our Toyota plants here are for Toyota. I like to see GM take a profit for the vehicles made and sold elsewhere. This benifits the US economy. | |
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