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1265 messages, Last post on Jul 21, 2009 at 10:14 AM
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Replying to: circlew (Sep 10, 2008 5:01 am) See there you go stereotyping again. -mike
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Replying to: bvdj84 (Sep 10, 2008 6:42 am) My guess is that it's placebo effect. If you slapped a BMW logo or a Porsche logo on the car you would not nitpick or even find those faults. The problem is that it's hard to objectively look at any vehicle. -mike
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Replying to: paisan (Sep 11, 2008 4:15 pm) All cars designed and built in the U.S.A. by Ford, GM and Chrysler are of secondary quality. The foreign manufacturers, including GM-owned Holden show their quality in looks, driving feel and lasting quality far better....IMHO, of course! Regards, OW |
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Replying to: paisan (Sep 11, 2008 4:17 pm) I really loved the car, it would be fun. That was a great test drive. I got to go alone, so that made it better. 
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Obviously you are not much of a reader. According to Consumer reports American cars have been better quality than vehicles from Europe for years now. Furthermore, according to the latest JD powers report American vehicles are just about tied with vehicles from Japanese manufactures. I would like to understand where you are getting your statistics. Are you just making them up??? How many new vehicles do you own? How many late model American vehicles have you tested? How long have you owned them. I just traded two Fords with 200k plus miles each on them. I also presently own a vette, G8 Lincoln and F150.
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Replying to: mrpushrod (Sep 12, 2008 8:23 am) 2003 Denali - Purchased new - $3,600 worth of repairs so far in 60K miles. Lincoln LS Pontiac GTP Chevy Suburban Pontiac GrandAm Lincoln MVII LSC Pontiac Grand Prix Buick Park Avenue Cadillac FWB D'Elegance Crysler 5th Ave. Don't much car about rag comments...I go by experience. Always liked the 'vette and will buy one because of the developed heritage and vast improvements. I will test drive the GT if my dealer ever gets one in! Regards, OW |
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Sounds like a bunch of older models. I have purchased over 35 new vehicles myself (a bit of a car buff). I was just listing what I own currently in my last response. I even put 280K miles on a 86 Crown Vic. W/Trailer towing package (orig eng & transmission). Again, if you were to buy a later model V6 Fusion, Milan, or Lincoln MK you would be buying a vehicle much more reliable than a Camry V6. Furthermore, I repeat, if you did some research you would find that American vehicles are more reliable than vehicles made in Europe and almost tied with Japan. I would say that both JD powers and Consumer reports used a little more diligence and finesse in their tests as they surveyed thousands of owners and vehicles rather than testing 4 or 5 samples of older American cars owned by one closed minded person such as you used in your quality test. CR & JD Powers even surveyed people such as yourself with deep rooted perception issues that think vehicles from Europe are more reliable than American vehicles. Even when people that own European vehicles report that their cars are not as reliable. Now that I understand how you did your testing, I think I will just ignore the results and find a more reliable source. Thanks for sharing your test plan with us.
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Replying to: mrpushrod (Sep 12, 2008 8:12 pm) I go by this, usually...my BMW wasn't a bad choice because it is high in desirability as well. If you are a driver, you will know. Otherwise, DSFDF. 2008 Vehicle Dependability Study Audi and Mercedes have a way to go but if you want Ultra high reliability, Toyota and Honda are the standard. To me, their desirability is low but to others, dependability is what is paramount. Since the G8 is a Pontiac model, you can see the lower reliability which you would call average. The G8, hopefully changes that because it is IMPORTED! Regards, OW Regards, OW
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Replying to: circlew (Sep 13, 2008 5:02 am) Crown vic is a bad example, just like the ford ranger because they haven't changed them in about 15+ years! If you always make the same car then yeah eventually you'll get it right. -mike
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Replying to: paisan (Sep 13, 2008 11:45 am) What's so bad about that? If you change models every three years you have to start all over and never get it right. Vette, Mustang, 3-series, Corolla, Civic. Regards, OW
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