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Holding out for GXP...I Think?!?! by michael1973
Jun 25, 2008 (5:29 am)
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Despite lots of Google searches I can't seem to find the answer to this question...
 
I've heard that the GXP version of this car is going to get slapped with the gas guzzler tax which could amount to a couple grand. The simple question is, "If I'm going to lease this car, do I have to pay the entire tax during the term of my lease?" If the tax were $2,400 for example and I leased for 24 months, another $200 each month on the payment is really going to stink!
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Re: Holding out for GXP...I Think?!?! [michael1973] by circlew
Jun 25, 2008 (6:49 am)
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Replying to: michael1973 (Jun 25, 2008 5:29 am)

Add in the extra $50 per month for added gas costs and the formula gets even worse!
 
Since the tax is added to the MSRP, you will need to pay at lease a portion of the tax for how long you use it at the very least. The importer pays so I assume the lessee will get passed this tax. Very good question and part of the answer is below.
 
Here is the instructions on the tax form for the importer or MFG.:
 
Use Form 6197 to figure the gas guzzler tax. The gas guzzler tax
is imposed on the sale, use, or lease by the manufacturer or
importer of an automobile of a model type that does not meet
certain standards for fuel economy. Automobiles imported for
business or personal use are subject to the tax.
If you import a gas guzzling automobile, you may be eligible to
make a one-time filing for which no employer identification
number is needed and no deposit is required. See One-Time
Filing below for more information.
If you need more space, attach a schedule in the same format
as Part II.
If you import a gas guzzling automobile, you may be eligible to
make a one-time filing of Form 720 and Form 6197 if you meet
both of the following conditions:
Instructions for Part I
The tax liability is figured each quarter and reported on Form
720. See the Instructions for Form 720 for information on how to

 
We need to find out the tax treatment in the lease contract.
 
Regards,
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Re: Holding out for GXP...I Think?!?! [circlew] by michael1973
Jun 25, 2008 (7:49 am)
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Replying to: circlew (Jun 25, 2008 6:49 am)

What makes it confusing is that the IRS form indicates that the gas guzzler tax is imposed on the first-time sale of the car only. See this link. Hmmm.
 
Where the rubber meets the road is that I have a 27 month lease on a Saab 9-5 which ends a year from October (16 months left). My father-in-law is retired GM so I get GMS pricing. Both the G8 GXP and my Saab 9-5 are going to sticker for the same amount ~$40k. I'm wondering whether when all is said and done their lease payments will work out to be similar. I'm hoping that the G8 works out to be less so that I can tell my wife that even with the poor gas mileage the cost-to-own works out to be similar.
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i doubt there will be a guzzler tax, not for 6-spd anyway by elias
Jun 25, 2008 (12:18 pm)
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michael where did ye hear that the GXP version will get gas guzzler tax?
If it's only available with 6-speed, i doubt there will be a guzzler tax.
If there's a GXP with automatic, OK, I'd believe a guzzler tax for that one!
If you are considering an automatic GXP, just give in now to "THE PRIUS HAPPENING"..
OK, just kidding - any of you can buy a GXP automatic and I promise not to remind you more than once per month how much you wish you had got the stickshift.
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Re: i doubt there will be a guzzler tax, not for 6-spd anyway [elias] by michael1973
Jun 25, 2008 (2:26 pm)
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Replying to: elias (Jun 25, 2008 12:18 pm)

"The only option beside the choice of automatic or manual and all-season or summer tires is a sunroof. Which leads to the question, how much? Pontiac isn't saying yet. The Charger SRT8's $39,218 base is a good starting point for an estimate. That includes a $2163 gas-guzzler tax for 13/18 mpg EPA numbers. Pontiac expects it'll have to fork over a gas-guzzler tax on the G8 GXP as well. If the G8 GT's $1435 base price advantage over the Charger R/T is any guide, this car could come in under $38 large, but don't count on it."
 
The rest of the article can be found here.
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Re: i doubt there will be a guzzler tax, not for 6-spd anyway [michael1973] by circlew
Jun 26, 2008 (3:17 am)
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Replying to: michael1973 (Jun 25, 2008 2:26 pm)

Expect over $40K and lease around $650/mo 10Kmiles. That's what it was for the 300C SRT8 I priced back in December 2005. The residuals on US cars are extremely brutal and are going to get worse.
 
Regards,
OW
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Re: i doubt there will be a guzzler tax, not for 6-spd anyway [circlew] by paisan
Jun 26, 2008 (6:19 pm)
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Replying to: circlew (Jun 26, 2008 3:17 am)

6MT probably won't get the gas guzzler tax, but like the GTO they'll probably charge that amount for the 6MT option so in the end it'll be a wash.
 
I'm debating the following cars next winter/spring:
G8 GT
G8 GXP
2002ish 911 C4
 
Have to see how it works out moneywise etc.
 
-mike
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Re: i doubt there will be a guzzler tax, not for 6-spd anyway [paisan] by circlew
Jun 27, 2008 (3:52 am)
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Replying to: paisan (Jun 26, 2008 6:19 pm)

The last choice sounds real good to me. Always loved the C4. Good choice during current energy crisis to boot!
 
Good luck and happy hunting!
 
Regards,
OW
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Re: i doubt there will be a guzzler tax, not for 6-spd anyway [circlew] by paisan
Jun 28, 2008 (7:53 pm)
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Replying to: circlew (Jun 27, 2008 3:52 am)

Throw in the 2004-2007 S4 w/6MT to the mix.
 
-mike
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model design for pontiac lineup. by bvdj84
Jun 29, 2008 (2:52 pm)
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I think the G8 should be the model car that Pontiac uses to create future models of their line up. It looks very sharp, classy. The overall look is quite simple, but that is what makes it look so nice. It is the fact that it does not look overdone and laid out very well. The newer design on the grills and lights look more upscale than before.
I believe the darker gray, white are the best colors of the G8. The interior is more upscale, and seems to have a better fit and finish. Even without the leather interior, it looks great.
 
Although, about the same size as its competitors, I know that it is sport sedan, but offering a high performance 4cyl, would be a great option, only since the gas prices have gone up so much. Many sedans of this size offer this, and I feel more would opt for this option, while get some performance, and economy. I would totally get the 4cyl on this car if they offered it. But, again it is target more for the sport enthusiast. If the option was there, I think it would sell more, and after all this car had a debut when the economy is not so hot. I am just thinking realistically.
Hopefully they will sell successfully at this time.

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