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Replying to: athens (May 29, 2008 6:12 am) In this G8 ‘sub-forum’, it seems to me that the posts ought to be rather directly related to the G8. As opposed to more generic subjects, such as GM’s overall direction & market strategy & market share, etc. There are plenty of other ‘sub-forums’ here at Edmunds ( and elsewhere ) that are more broadly focused – and posts there may result in responses more like what you seem to want. I have certainly posted ‘critical’ posts here – that would not be termed ‘cheers’. But I believe that they were related to things like: The G8’s relatively high weight, the GT’s six speed automatic behavior, the lack of some available options ( HUD, a lighter color interior ) that I’d prefer, etc. If I wanted to criticize GM’s future, Pontiac’s future ( and use the G8 as one example ) I’d personally post elsewhere. But waddo I know . . .?? - Ray Seeing a $1,300+ increase in the GT’s MSRP for 2009 as rather excessive . . .
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Replying to: athens (May 28, 2008 7:23 pm)  LOL! Let's see how far removed we can get this, guys! A neighbor of some relatives who owns a large Mercedes/Porsche dealership on the affluent North Shore suburbs in Chicago a city in Illinois a state in the U.S. of A. a country in North America... Keep it rolling, guys! Let's take this astronomical and back through time (but keep it granular so it'll last longer!) 
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Replying to: white6 (May 29, 2008 6:03 am) The taxes placed atop the retail selling price of gasoline in Europe were intended to offset the cost to the economy of a trade deficit and to pay for new, clean and efficient public transport systems accessible to all. In most European cities 70% of commuters travel by public transport on clean and efficient mass transit systems. In large American cities, most of which have crumbling mass transit rail systems, rail cars reeking of urine, the proportion of mass transit commuters is an appalling 30%!!! See: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/14/us/14drive.html?fta=y Only oil producing nations and the US have historically had artificially suppressed gasoline prices. In the Arabian peninsula, the governments which own the crude oil and the means of refining and distributing gasoline subsidize the cost. And in America relatively little tax is imposed on the refined product so everyone can afford pile in their cars for their commute (no car pooling please). Look at Phoenix. Newer growing city. Population in Metro area jumped from 250K in late 1970s to over 2 million today. Only now they are implementing a limited light rail system. Yet dedicated car pool lanes on Phoenix area freeways remain empty. This is the direct consequence of historically artificial "Cheap Fuel". As stated in my earlier post GM for many years has had access to the geological data on the exhaustion of the oil supply that would be readily and cheaply accessible. GM Chairman Rick Waggoner now all but admits that they (GM and other large auto making concerns) buried their heads in the sand over the issue of ever diminishing global oil supply. Now that that appetite is rapidly shrinking GM, it's domestic competitors ,and in the end consumers will have a significant price to pay for that ignorance. For such a large manufacturing business concern such as GM, which employs several 100,000 employees globally, which has billions expended and borrowed for capitalization of its operations, it cannot simply jump from one trend to another. Product lines have to be planned for and invested in for a minimum of a half decade in advance. We are discussing real world tangible factors here. Jumping from trend to trend every year might be in the purview of the fashion industry. It is not within the affordable purview of the mass market auto industry. |
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Thanks for the clarification of the new meaning of open debate. Accordingly, it is permissible for a contributor to propose that the G8 or any other similar product's excessive weight and high fuel consumption are of concern. Or to propose that there are a number of competing products exist in the market place which improve on the G8 in one way way or another. Then it is also permissible reply posts to remark that those concerns are overstated or irrelevant It is further acceptable for some to reply that rising gas prices will not affect car purchases in many segments of the market But it is not acceptable to request a reasonable articulation of such replies? Or to articulate the position which is denounced out of hand? LOL |
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Replying to: rayainsw (May 29, 2008 6:41 am)
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Replying to: white6 (May 29, 2008 6:03 am) Huh. I gotta wonder why, if that was a concern, you chose the 335i coupe over the sedan?
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Replying to: qbrozen (May 29, 2008 8:08 am) BTW, my 34K combined mileage is a religious 22 mpg on the hard stuff. The GT will say about 20 cents/gal so it's close to a wash regarding gas mileage if the GT combined is 19-20 mpg on the light stuff. The big change for me would be the handling/steering feel downgrade but the $ difference is quite substantial and could make me move back to a V-8....mileage be damned. Regards, OW
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Replying to: circlew (May 29, 2008 8:54 am)
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...is the 2008 G8. It's only natural that drifting to other topics will occur, but please try to keep it focused on the G8. If you want to talk about GM's world in general, go over to GM News, New Models and Market Share. Thanks for your cooperation! |
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Replying to: emale (May 29, 2008 8:01 am) Wow, indeed. Particularly when the Base only went up $400. Odd..... My current plan is 4 - 5 months from now. Hoping the new Silver will be available by then. We shall see. - Ray On topic...
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