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Replying to: athens (May 28, 2008 9:11 am) Any references? |
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Replying to: athens (May 28, 2008 9:11 am) FYI, GM also sells the Commodore/G8 in China as Buick Park Avenue (considered upscale/on par with MB and BMW by Chinese) and in the middle east with a Chevy badge. Also, Cadillac STS and DTS will be consolidated into one Zeta-chassis car in a year or two... and will probably retain the DTS nameplate. GM also has under development the "Alpha" chassis, which is a BMW 3-series-size rear-wheel-drive vehicle to be shared by several divisions. Speculation is that this chassis will spawn coupe, sedan and, possibly, wagon/hatch variations expected to start arriving by MY 2012. They will be limited to 4- and 6-cylinder engines. |
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Replying to: white6 (May 28, 2008 3:09 pm) It'll be my weekend and summer car, my LGT Wagon will continue as my daily and the Armada as my extended family and Toy Hauler. -mike
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Replying to: white6 (May 28, 2008 3:09 pm) Or you leased it and are getting out of the lease on the 335i? While $5-$6 gasoline may not affect you, it will significantly affect the disposable household income of the average wage earner in the US (who earns $40K per year) who traditionally shops brands like Pontiac. A neighbor of some relatives who owns a large Mercedes Porsche dealership on the affluent North Shore suburbs inChicago emphatically states that the only product that is currently selling well at their dealership is the SMART car. There is an 8 month backorder on the SMART car. Since Pontiac has traditionally catered to the bread and butter American car buying consumer that wanted a little more sportiness than Olds or Buick offered but couldn't step up to Chevy Corvette territory, it is Pontiac's base clientele that will definitely be affected by the rising fuel costs. Gas prices are even affecting BMW's and Mercedes buyers. How else can one explain the sudden epidemic of threads on these and other forums which sport titles: "How will $4 and up gas prices affect you?" or "What kind of mileage do you get with your G35?" I hate to beat it to death but selling 20-40K large displacement RWD re-badged niche cars will not ensure the survival of the marque. Only 500,000 + G5 and G6s can ensure Pontiac's future. To move the Pontiac marque upmarket is commendable. Initially GM should have introduced an upmarket entry level car. The attempt to market the G6 as significantly upmarket from its predecessor, the Grand Am, has not worked well. Even the sharp looking Solstice didn't do the trick. I remain convinced that were GM to have introduced the next generation G6 on the much lauded FWD Epsilon II (see Opel Insignia) platform in North America, that would have laid that missing foundation needed to draw entry level luxury sporty sedan shoppers into Pontiac showrooms. BMW entry level E36 series changed that company's fortunes. That car's success (and relatively cheap gasoline in America) made the fantasy 650csi and the Z8 a reality. In its infinite (pardon the pun, not Infiniti) wisdom, GM in this instance has done the converse. Do you really think that the couple thousand Middle Easterners (looking for a car that is a bit of a novelty) buying Holden Commodores exported as Chevy Caprices brings the "Caprice name" to the market level of the Mercedes Benz S55 in say the UAE?
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"I remain convinced that were GM to have introduced the next generation G6 on the much lauded FWD Epsilon II (see Opel Insignia) platform in North America, that would have laid that missing foundation needed to draw entry level luxury sporty sedan shoppers into Pontiac showrooms. Can you guys take the discussion of the future of GM to the G5 or G6 board? As you mentioned, G8 is not the mass market car that provide the bread and butter of a pontiac franchise. But I fail to see how this discussion help me understand whether I want to buy a G8 or not. May be you guys can write to GM board of director and explain how they should have run their business? But what you are interest in discussing has very little to do with a msg board like ours here. I have an 05 Mecedes CLK 55 convertible, an 07 Infiniti G35 and an 04 Honda Accord. And our lease for the CLK is up in next month, G35 up in May 09 and I am interested in a G8 (may be..) to replace the CLK or the G35.. Just because you won't make the same choice, please don't make the assumption that other won't.. That is a job for Pontiac marketing department and again has very little to do with whether a reader of this msg board want a G8 or not. |
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| i agree with the above post...athens, if you have an axe to grind with GM...please go start it somewhere else. i'd rather talk about the g8 with folks who have or want one. i could give a lick less whether gm is doing the right thing or not in the grand scheme of things... | |
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Replying to: paisan (May 28, 2008 6:15 pm) Regards, OW |
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Replying to: athens (May 28, 2008 9:11 am) The Aurion is Toyota's attempt to muscle into the large car segment in Australia, though it's really only a 6 cylinder Camry. The Aurion has slipped downward in sales here since its launch last year and it's now selling at just over half the volume of the Commodore. As far as the Nissan Maxima goes it's never threatened anyone in sales volumes. It has never made the top 20 best selling cars list in Australia. I personally think the Maxima is a good car but it achieves very modest sale volumes here. |
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Replying to: athens (May 28, 2008 7:23 pm) I certainly will not debate Pontiac's markeplace logic, as there are WAY too many variables that I could not possibly be aware of. I do know, however, that what we see on the showroom floor today was locked in at least two years ago, when gas was close to half the price it is now. GM has no crystal ball; they merely try to follow trends as they present themselves. People wanted and purchased (in large numbers) trucks and SUVs, therefore that's where GM put their emphasis. The market has changed rapidly and the domestic manufacturers are playing catch-up with european and asian automakers, who had the advantage of merely exporting vehicles they had been selling in their home markets for years because of artificially high gas prices due to high gas taxes. And, in my opinion, the G6 is, for the most part, fine for the market it serves with one exception: the interior is a joke. They sell a bunch of them, but it should be better. Problem is there are just so many dollars and GM has a lots of "irons in the fire." The cost to bring the G8 to the U.S. was practically nothing. Will it assure Pontiac' future as a successful car company? Of course not. But the return on investment will be good and it helps build brand recognition. The G8 GT could serve the same purpose as a Chevy Tahoe for most people and gets 40% better gas mileage.
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Folks, Please see the definition of "Forum". http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/forum "a medium (as a newspaper or online service) of open discussion or expression of ideas" I thought I was participating in an intellectual FORUM, not a cheerleading section. And not a sales brochure. A means to discuss the merits and demerits of the topic: the G8 and it's place in the US/ global auto market. Having an "Axe to Grind" implies that one wishes to express themselves based on anger. I express only disappointment and hope for something that will benefit all American consumers given the current perilous economic predicament rather than just a select few. GM's B of D only needs account to me if it wishes to do business with me. It is not participating in this supposedly "open forum". I am neither an employee of the company nor do I hold stock ownership in it. It is to those people that the board of GM has to answer. It's just that lately the company (like so many others) hasn't done as good job of answering. I'd like to know how a loss of 50% of market share in 35 years has sat with those folks. Yet I have heard of instances where some companies do observe the goings on and debates in forums such as these. In years past GM's board likely only wanted to hear fawning and flattery. I think that nowadays GM's Board Members, employees and shareholders would rather hear debate of reason rather than pure unadulterated passion. If anyone is really interested in the future of GM I suggest the following article which I have come across. It is thoughtfully written and insightful. http://www.politicsandcurrentaffairs.co.uk/Forum/peak-oil-economics-environment/- - - 48680-gm-live-green-die.html Cheers folks.
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