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These ridiculous mark-ups aren't directly related to Pontiac, but to the greedy dealers. The G8 has only been available for 6 weeks or so; Pontiac dealers are notorious for this behavior. I purchased a 2004 GTO for $8,000 below sticker; identical car was priced $5,000 over sticker 9 months prior. If you really want one of these, be just a bit patient. I have already seen some improvement in pricing strategies locally. Give it a month or two and things should improve. I'm curious to see how much (if any) of a price increase the 2009 models will have, since they will be hitting dealers in only a couple of months. How many dealers are going to stick to their "Market Adjustment" stickers when these 2008 models are, essentially, a model-year-old already. 
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| I test drove the G8 GT yesterday afternoon. None of the dealers that I have looked at here in Houston have any mark ups. They are all going for MSRP. The GT I test drove yesterday has been at the dealer for 28 days, and most of the others have lasted less than 10. I was told that if I wanted that one I could get it for a discount. | |
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Replying to: circlew (Apr 26, 2008 5:22 pm) Hope it doesn't work out for Pontiac in the long run.” 2 questions: Q1: What other options, exactly? If the acceleration offered is of interest, I only see the Dodge Charger R/T as a viable alternative – given the performance \ price balance of a G8 GT. Clearly, there are quicker sedans – everything I can think of is smaller and \ or at a higher price. Q2: Why do you hope it doesn’t “work out” for Pontiac? They have brought ( IMHO ) a performance bargain to market – at a very aggressive MSRP. Should they be penalized for the (mis-)behavior of some of the franchised dealers – that are most emphatically NOT ( for better or worse ) a part of Pontiac \ GM? Some dealers near me ( Atlanta ) have cars and are not asking MAP. So – if you happen to drive a GM vehicle, price of a fully loaded G8 GT w/Premium, Sport & Sunroof is $31,745 + TTL. - Ray Confused, as usual . . .
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Replying to: rayainsw (Apr 28, 2008 12:49 pm) Q2 Answer: GM needs to ensure this performance bargain is successful. If they can not control greedy dealers, I hope the same fate as the GTO befalls the G8. The dealers without MAP are the light at the end of the tunnel. What I do not know is how many will be turned off by MAP and how many fair deals will be made. No doubt MAP is the chink in the armor! Did those dealers near you offer the GTO at $32K price back then? Regards, OW
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Replying to: circlew (Apr 28, 2008 1:33 pm) Challenger? 135? I really don’t believe it is remotely fair to consider these coupes as competition for a 4DR G8 GT. Though you may certainly compare anything you’d like to anything else, I suppose. The June issue of C+D arrived at my house last night – including another G8 GT vs Charger R/T comparison. A couple of points: 1 – In my view ( and theirs ), to be even close to comparable, the Charger requires the $3940 Road and Track package. Bringing the MSRP of the Charger to at least $31,455 + $3,940 = $35,395. And the roadholding ( lateral G ), braking & lane change numbers are still far off the G8 GT w/Sport Pkg. 2 – The acceleration numbers show the G8 GT as significantly quicker than the Charger: 0-60 = 5.2 vs 5.7 and the Quarter = 13.8 vs 14.3. And the editors also point out that “. . the interior materials don’t look as upscale as the G8’s . .” Their article’s closing paragraph includes this: “A while back, we tested a group of high-end sports sedans [“Faster Horses”, November 2006], a quartet that included a BMW 550i. With the exception of the lane-change exercise, the Bimmer’s test-track numbers were essentially identical with those generated by this new Poncho. The base price for a 550i today is $59,275.” Your $$, your choice, of course . . . - Ray Choosing the G8 GT . . .
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Replying to: rayainsw (Apr 29, 2008 6:13 am) link title Regards, OW
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| FWIW, I currently drive a 335i. Compared to G8 it is more refined and has obviously higher quality materials. It is, however, a much smaller car than the G8. If interior space is not an issue, and price is close (which I honestly don't think it will be), then the 335i would not be a bad choice. However, 335i with most common options can easily sticker $50,000+. I think the G8 GXP will be at least $10,000 less expensive (comparably equipped). Keep in mind, also, that the 335i is a very complex machine (with lots of very expensive technology) and would not be a car I would feel confident owning past it's warranty period (4 years/50,000 miles). The G8, on the other hand, uses relatively simple, proven technology and carries a 5 year/100,000 mile powertrain warranty. Good example: The 335i doesn't even have a dipstick; only way to check your oil level is with a computer sensor. | |
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Replying to: circlew (Apr 29, 2008 7:03 am) If neither backseat room nor trunk room are issues – and a substantial ( to me ) price difference means nothing – well, carry on! [[ Looks to me like a 335 sedan equipped as close as I can to a ‘loaded’ G8 GT shows an MSRP of about $45K. Both with automatic, premium pkg., sport pkg. & sunroof ( std. on the BMW.) ]] If you are expecting to carry a couple of typically sized adult males in the rear, I think the 335 sedan might not be a very good choice – assuming that you actually like the guys . . . I do have respect for the 335. Quite a lot, in fact. I have driven a couple. The motor is a jewel – and for another $1K-$2K will approach Corvette levels of acceleration. The BMW’s 6 speed automatic is one of the best, though I have some issues with a couple of behavior aspects. The handling is definitely excellent. The quality of fit, finish & materials is better than the G8’s. But . . . ( Regarding acceleration ) The 335 has no LSD. ( Regarding ride ) The 335’s run-flats feel somewhat harsh to many. ( Regarding price ) Even with a $5K MAP, a 335 equipped roughly equivalent to the G8 GT is some $7,000 more expensive. $38K for the G8 GT vs $45K for the BMW. And more realistically, based on my recent experience, a G8 GT at MSRP less the $1,000 Loyalty Cash for any one with a GM vehicle in the household, that brings the difference to around $13,000. I am not trying to convince anyone here of anything – but I do believe comparisons are most meaningful between approximate equals - in most aspects, including such prime attributes ( for most buyers ) as price & size. Size, for example ( among BMW sedans ) would bring you to the 5 series – at an even higher starting MSRP. But I could be wrong . . . I’m sure someone will point out any errors I make. - Ray Ignoring the GXP version of the G8, for now, and at least until we have additional official information from GM . . .
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Replying to: rayainsw (Apr 29, 2008 8:52 am) My goal would be to test drive the G8 and if I come away as enthusiastic as yourself, purchase it WITHOUT MAP, with loyalty discount and the GM Card points I've built up over the years. That dealer mark-up is quite ridiculous! That is, if I can tear myself away from the ultimate drive of the 335i (I had the pleasure to drive an '07 for a day while my 330 was being serviced). If the power bump to 360/360 I've heard so far regarding the '09 335 is true, this would be an awesome combination to consider vs. the GXP. Price, no doubt, is going to favor the GXP. BTW, I got used to the E92 size and only have my kids and grown ups that need discipline in the back!!! Seriously, the handling is addicting. Regards, OW |
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Absolutely agree about E92. Just got back from a 60 mile drive in mine. Hard to fault anything about the way this car drives (especially after I persuaded the dealer to perform a software update on mine that finally fixed the inconsistant throttle response problem). Unfortunately now the moonroof is not working properly. Tried to crack it while parked to let the heat out, and it didn't function as designed in response to the switch. Quite strange. I've told the Pontiac dealer to call me when the black/black G8 GT (premium/sport; no sunroof) car they are expecting within the next few weeks comes in. After driving it I will allow them the opportunity to earn my business. I am not confident that they will; however, if they make a fair offer on my 335i Coupe and don't ask for more than MSRP on the G8, I will be very tempted (especially since I will qualify for the Loyalty rebate and have $947 of GM Mastercard rebate built-up as well, bringing the G8 in question down to just under $30,000). As I said, I'm not particularly confident that this will happen at this time. If not, I will happily motor on in the bimmer.
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