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#523 of 1265 # of ways, power seat by elias Jan 22, 2008 (5:30 pm)
the GTO-naro driver & passenger seat each have power-recline so i bet the G8's will too. Replies to this message: bigelm (Jan 22, 2008 8:26 pm)
#524 of 1265 Re: # of ways, power seat [elias] by bigelm Jan 22, 2008 (8:26 pm)
Replying to: elias (Jan 22, 2008 5:30 pm) The seats are 6 way power (optional) which means you get Fwd-Rear, Front up/dwn, and rear up/dwn with a manual recline. The heat switch is in the center console.   This is quoted from someone who was at the NAIAS prior to public showing. So Mike, I believe you mentioned this setup on the Corvette? - Then you're right. There's also a pic where the rear armrest comes down, then the second membrane for cup holders - problem is when you use the cup holders, the pass thru is open which your rear passengers can access your trunk. If things are not tied down back there, then you're in for a treat.   I found the pics:   http://www.hammen.net/bowman/rear_armrest.jpg   http://www.hammen.net/bowman/pass_thru.jpg
#525 of 1265 Re: diesel Re: TQ Re: G8 vs comp [captain2] by mr215 Jan 23, 2008 (8:39 am)
Replying to: captain2 (Jan 22, 2008 11:29 am) The two cars are not aimed at the same market. No one here thinks that except you apparently. The Hyundai is supposed to be a cheaper version of the S or LS, its not a 550 competitor. If you know anything about Hyundais you know they tend to skew towards ride over handling. They are more interested in gunning for Toyota than BMW. As for gas prices, both cars offer V6 engines so its not like they can only be had with gas guzzling V8s. Furthermore, if you actually look at the mileage on the G8 Gt you will see its only slightly worse than the G35. Do you think G35 sales will collapse when gas gets more expensive? There are a number of V6 luxury cars that get 1-2 better mileage than the G8 GT with far less power and torque.
#526 of 1265 MPG Infiniti G & M by rayainsw Jan 23, 2008 (9:27 am)
One can certainly choose to compare anything to anything, I suppose.   Regarding my reading of the EPA MPG, comparing the G8 GT w/6.0L V8 to a G35 w/3.5L V6 seems somewhat unfair, to me, given the existence of the M45. Much closer in weight & in HP & in performance. ( And fuel economy I see as one aspect of ‘performance’. )   And yet, the G35 is rated at exactly the same EPA highway MPG as the G8 GT V8. 24 MPG. And the M45 is rated at 16 \ 21.   That 21 number ( and associated high RPM at highway speeds ) is one primary reason that I did not choose an M45 last time I was shopping for a Sports Sedan. Though ( again ) the M certainly has much to recommend it.   And I see the highway number as much more important. Stop + go, lower speed driving, with lots of ( opportunities for ) acceleration tends to be an area where the nut that holds the wheel has much more occasion to [ dramatically ] impact actual MPG.   Many ( including some here ) have suggested that anyone looking at a 4,000# sedan with a 6.0L V8 cannot possibly be ( should not be ) concerned with MPG. I do happen to care. In addition to a desire for what I consider a reasonable trade-off between acceleration performance, carrying capacity & efficiency, I also look at driving range.   To me, a difference of 21 to 24 ( 3 MPG = over 14% better ) in highway MPG is also the difference of over 50 miles in range, on 18 gallons of gas. ( To be fair here, the M45 does have a 20 gallon tank vs. 19 for the G8 – so if you run both leaving approx. 1 gallon ‘in reserve’, the G8 will only be able to travel an additional 33 miles. But the M45 will then require an additional 2 or 3 cups of hot & tasty coffee worth of gas when filled. Each time it is filled, under these conditions. )   - Ray Looking forward to fuel use reports from actual customers in actual driving . . . Maybe next month?
#527 of 1265 test by mr215 Jan 24, 2008 (11:10 am)
G8 will be in next issue of C&D. Replies to this message: paisan (Jan 24, 2008 4:54 pm) white6 (Jan 25, 2008 6:44 am) rayainsw (Jan 25, 2008 8:51 am) captain2 (Jan 25, 2008 2:19 pm) qbrozen (Jan 24, 2008 5:13 pm)
#528 of 1265 Re: test [mr215] by paisan Jan 24, 2008 (4:54 pm)
Replying to: mr215 (Jan 24, 2008 11:10 am) If you guys really think that a 6.0L v8 will get comparable milage to a V6 I'm a monkey's uncle! My guess is that the 24mpg was obtained at a constant highway speed of 65mph, w/o so much as a downshift or acceleration attempt. Similar to the GTO, Transam, etc. with the 6 speed transmissions. Once you get on a gas a bit that # will drop down I'm afraid. Not that I'm complaining but let's be honest.   -mike Motorsports and Modifications Host Replies to this message: white6 (Jan 25, 2008 6:44 am) rayainsw (Jan 25, 2008 8:51 am) captain2 (Jan 25, 2008 2:19 pm)
#529 of 1265 Re: test [mr215] by qbrozen Jan 24, 2008 (5:13 pm)
Replying to: mr215 (Jan 24, 2008 11:10 am) as will the EX35 and Dodge Challenger ... if the teaser in the survey from C&D is accurate.
#530 of 1265 Re: seat adj Re: Navi? [paisan] by captain2 Jan 25, 2008 (6:13 am)
Replying to: paisan (Jan 22, 2008 4:13 pm) I think that the Genesis will be tuned much more for luxury than the G8 Don't believe so- or at least not if Hyundai is thinking the car is a Euro 'sports sedan' competitor. Of course Hyundai is the one that has the chutzpah to compare the Sonata to a 3 series. Since this is a G8 forum though - think it will be a big mistake if GM 'tunes' the car like a skateboard. It is a large heavy sedan and should play to those that need a big 'family' sedan but also has some fond memories of the 'muscle car' past. An older demographic (like me) for sure but also one that historically has shown to prefer the softer highway cruisers - one of the reasons why cos. like Toyota/Lexus sell so well in this country. If the G8 is that stiffly sprung 'skateboard' it will lose any chance it might have to appeal to the masses and will relegate itself more into the category of a low volume curiosity or 'speciality' car. Back on the subject of REAL gas mileage - the 300Cs ratings are one of the biggest jokes in the industry simply because DOD ,which is obviously designed to maximize things on a simple constant (and relatively low ) highway speeds still does not reflect the way we actually drive. It has nothing to do with what the G8 might do in a laboratory, but more to do with what happens when you actually use the accelerator - something that is hard to avoid in 350hp sedans! Don't believe the G8 V8 is going to anywhere close to say a M35 FE wise, more likely what the M45 does. It will be interesting to see what percentage of G8 buyers opt for the 3.6 V6 and FTM how many of the cars end up at the airport. Replies to this message: white6 (Jan 25, 2008 6:51 am)
#531 of 1265 Re: test [paisan] by white6 Jan 25, 2008 (6:44 am)
Replying to: paisan (Jan 24, 2008 4:54 pm) EPA mileage ratings changed pretty drastically for MY2008, supposedly to better reflect "real-life" driving. Complaints that the advertised mileage numbers were far from accurate (especially in hybrids) prompted adjustments in procedures and calculations used starting on MY2008 vehicles. As a result, I think 24 mpg highway is probably more accurate than you might think. My 2004 A4 GTO averaged 20 mpg in everyday driving (mostly rural highway and interstate, with maybe 20% in-town) and it was rated at 16/21 by the old, less-accurate system. Keep in mind the G8 has a 6-speed auto (reduces rpm at highway speeds) and AFM (I will admit I doubt it does anything at speeds over 65 mph). I don't think anyone said the V8 will get V6 economy, just that some V6 "sports-sedans" don't get much better. But, as they say, your mileage may vary...
#532 of 1265 Re: seat adj Re: Navi? [captain2] by white6 Jan 25, 2008 (6:51 am)
Replying to: captain2 (Jan 25, 2008 6:13 am) Based on everything I have read about the Holden Commodore, I don't think you have to worry about the G8 riding like a Z06 Vette. I believe it will (and should) have a firm ride similar to Impala SS or BMW 550i w/sport package. Reports are that it is more than competitive with BMW, MB, Audi, etc. in ride, handling and NVH (noise, vibration, harshness). Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I firmly believe that Hyundia is squarely targeting Lexus (and Toyota) with Genesis, and not the German makes.

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